What Are the Mind-Blowing Properties of Trigonometric Functions?

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The discussion revolves around the intriguing properties of trigonometric functions, specifically seeking remarkable or lesser-known characteristics beyond the well-known identities and theorems. Participants explore various mathematical properties, integrals, and relationships involving trigonometric functions, with a focus on both theoretical and applied aspects.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that sine and cosine are the additive inverses of their respective second derivatives, prompting a search for other mind-blowing properties.
  • Another mentions the Law of Cosines as a generalization of the Pythagorean Theorem for non-right triangles.
  • A different participant relates the second derivative property to a known theorem involving functions that satisfy a specific differential equation.
  • Integration of the sinc function is highlighted, with one participant stating that the integral from negative infinity to infinity of sin(x)/x equals π, while noting the complexity of proving this result.
  • One participant shares an infinite product involving secants that equals π, as well as an integral involving cos^n(θ) and cos(nθ), expressing admiration for these results.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the intuitiveness of certain properties and engage in discussions about the proofs of these properties, with one questioning the nature of the proofs presented.
  • There is a discussion about the use of the pi symbol in mathematical notation, clarifying that it represents a product, contrasting it with the sigma symbol for summation.
  • Participants express uncertainty about their ability to prove certain properties or solve integrals involving trigonometric functions, indicating a struggle with the complexity of the topics.
  • One participant hints at a potential identity involving sin(a)/sin(b), indicating a search for relationships between sine functions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the properties of trigonometric functions, with no clear consensus on which properties are the most interesting or significant. The discussion remains open-ended, with various competing ideas and approaches presented.

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Some participants mention the difficulty of proving certain results and the limitations of their current mathematical skills, indicating that the discussion may involve assumptions about participants' backgrounds and knowledge levels.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those exploring advanced properties of trigonometric functions, mathematical proofs, and integrals, particularly in the context of higher mathematics or theoretical physics.

Char. Limit
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...are fascinating. At least I think so. Sine and cosine are the additive inverses of their respective second derivatives, for example. Astonishing!

Are there any other startling properties of trig functions (not inverse trigs) that would just blow my mind?

Somewhere in the beautiful scale between [tex]a^2+b^2=c^2[/tex] and [tex]e^{i \pi }+1=0[/tex] is what I'm looking for, I guess.
 
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Check out the Law of Cosines, aka the Pythagorean Theorem for non-right triangles.
 
Well the first property you mentioned is related to a well known theorem. If f is some function that has a second derivative everywhere, and f'' + f = 0, f(0) = a, f'(0) = b. Then f = b*sin + a*cos.

Also, it's well-known that

[tex]\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\frac{\sin x}{x}\,dx = \pi.[/tex]

You should try proving the first, since it only requires differentiation. The second is much harder to prove (demonstrating convergence is even a bit tricky), and perhaps less of what you were looking for.
 
One of my personal favorites is

[tex] 2 \prod_{k=1}^{\infty} sec (\frac{\pi}{2^{k+1}}) = \pi[/tex]

or even the elegant

[tex] \int_{0}^{\pi} cos^n (\theta) cos (n \theta) d\theta = \frac{\pi}{2^n}, n = 0, 1, 2, 3...[/tex]
 
Nonsense, I'm looking for anything particularly interesting.

On the first theorem presented, I suppose it is intuitive. Since at x=0, a constant multiplied by the sine of x is also 0. Thus, the two constants "switch" in [tex]f^{(n)}(0)[/tex] as n increases, changing sign each time they appear.

Right?

Of course, for the second equation, the proof is obvious!

*leaves room to determine proof*

Edit: Gah, took too long to post. Is the giant pi symbol used for the same thing as the giant sigma in summation?

Also, I'm currently trying to remember how to integrate cosine products. I'll try by parts...
 
Char. Limit said:
Nonsense, I'm looking for anything particularly interesting.

On the first theorem presented, I suppose it is intuitive. Since at x=0, a constant multiplied by the sine of x is also 0. Thus, the two constants "switch" in [tex]f^{(n)}(0)[/tex] as n increases, changing sign each time they appear.

Right?

Of course, for the second equation, the proof is obvious!

*leaves room to determine proof*

Edit: Gah, took too long to post. Is the giant pi symbol used for the same thing as the giant sigma in summation?

Also, I'm currently trying to remember how to integrate cosine products. I'll try by parts...

The giant pi symbol is "product" as sigma is "sum".
 
l'Hôpital said:
The giant pi symbol is "product" as sigma is "sum".

I see.

Well, for the cosine product function, integration by parts won't work (every two applications, the non-integral part cancels out), I'm pretty sure integration by substitution wouldn't work, and with my limited repertoire (is that how you spell it?), I'm out of options. Same with the sine of x over x function. Infinite products of secants... I doubt it's currently in my ability to understand what's going on, much less prove it.

Und so falle ich.

I am impressed, though. How many series equal some multiple, power, or multiplied power of pi anyways?
 
Char. Limit said:
I see.

Well, for the cosine product function, integration by parts won't work (every two applications, the non-integral part cancels out), I'm pretty sure integration by substitution wouldn't work, and with my limited repertoire (is that how you spell it?), I'm out of options. Same with the sine of x over x function. Infinite products of secants... I doubt it's currently in my ability to understand what's going on, much less prove it.

Und so falle ich.

I am impressed, though. How many series equal some multiple, power, or multiplied power of pi anyways?

The cosine integral is tricky. The product? Not so much.

Hint: Consider [tex]sin 2\theta = 2 sin \theta cos \theta[/tex]
 
l'Hôpital said:
The cosine integral is tricky. The product? Not so much.

Hint: Consider [tex]sin 2\theta = 2 sin \theta cos \theta[/tex]

I'm considering it...

Is there a sin(a)/sin(b)= identity anywhere? There's a sin(a)sin(b) identity in this book, but I don't need that...
 

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