What are the possible values of $x+y$ in this complex number problem?

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The discussion revolves around solving the equation $$z^2=z+|z^2|+\frac{2}{|z|^3}$$ for complex numbers, specifically focusing on determining the possible values of $x+y$, where $z=x+iy$. The participants explore various methods of approach, including polar coordinates and direct substitution, while grappling with the complexities introduced by the absolute value and powers in the equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that direct substitution of $z=x+iy$ may not be effective, implying a need for a smarter approach.
  • Another participant proposes using polar coordinates, stating it simplifies the handling of powers and absolute values.
  • Multiple participants derive equations from comparing imaginary and real parts after substituting into polar form, leading to a condition involving $\cos\theta$.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of dividing by zero and the potential solutions arising from the sine and cosine conditions derived from the equations.
  • Several participants note that there are multiple possible solutions for $\theta$, including cases where $\sin(\theta)=0$ and the implications of these solutions on the value of $r$.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the validity of certain solutions and the implications of negative values for $r$.
  • A later reply challenges the initial assertion that direct substitution is ineffective, suggesting it may actually be the simplest method to solve the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the effectiveness of direct substitution versus polar coordinates. There is no consensus on the best approach, and multiple competing views remain regarding the validity of certain solutions and the handling of specific cases.

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Participants highlight limitations in their approaches, such as the potential for division by zero and the need to carefully check all derived conditions. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions about the behavior of complex numbers and the implications of their properties in the context of the given equation.

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Problem:
Let $z=x+iy$ satisfy $$z^2=z+|z^2|+\frac{2}{|z|^3}$$then the possible values of $x+y$ is

A)$-2^{1/4}$
B)$2^{1/4}$
C)$3^{1/4}$
D)$-5^{1/4}$

Attempt:
Substituting $z=x+iy$ is definitely not a good idea, it can be solved by substituting but since this is an exam problem, I believe that there is a much smarter way to solve the problem. But I am completely clueless about it. The $|z|^3$ factor in the denominator throws me off, I have absolutely no idea. :(

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
 
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Have you tried polar coordinates $$z=R e^{i \theta }$$ ? I it is easier to work with powers. Moreover we have $$|z|=R$$.
 
ZaidAlyafey said:
Have you tried polar coordinates $$z=R e^{i \theta }$$ ? I it is easier to work with powers. Moreover we have $$|z|=R$$.

Hi ZaidAlyafey!

Substituting $z=re^{i\theta}$, I get:

$$r^5e^{2i\theta}=r^4e^{i\theta}+r^5+2$$

Comparing the imaginary parts, I get:
$$r^5\sin(2\theta)=r^4\sin\theta \Rightarrow \cos\theta=\frac{1}{2r} (*)$$

Comparing the real parts:
$$r^5\cos(2\theta)=r^4\cos\theta+r^5+2$$
Using (*)
$$r^5\left(2\cdot\frac{1}{4r^2}-1\right)=r^4\cdot\frac{1}{2r}+r^5+2$$
Simplifying:
$$r^3(1-2r^2)=r^3+2r^4+4$$
$$\Rightarrow r^3-2r^5=r^3+2r^5+4 \Rightarrow r^5=-1$$
A negative value for $r$ is not possible. :confused:
 
Pranav said:
Hi ZaidAlyafey!

Substituting $z=re^{i\theta}$, I get:

$$r^5e^{2i\theta}=r^4e^{i\theta}+r^5+2$$

Comparing the imaginary parts, I get:
$$r^5\sin(2\theta)=r^4\sin\theta \Rightarrow \cos\theta=\frac{1}{2r} (*)$$

Comparing the real parts:
$$r^5\cos(2\theta)=r^4\cos\theta+r^5+2$$
Using (*)
$$r^5\left(2\cdot\frac{1}{4r^2}-1\right)=r^4\cdot\frac{1}{2r}+r^5+2$$
Simplifying:
$$r^3(1-2r^2)=r^3+2r^4+4$$
$$\Rightarrow r^3-2r^5=r^3+2r^5+4 \Rightarrow r^5=-1$$
A negative value for $r$ is not possible. :confused:

When you equate the imaginary parts, there are THREE possible solutions.

Word of God: Do not ever divide by 0, or something that could possibly be 0.

\displaystyle \begin{align*} r^5\sin{(2\theta)} &= r^4\sin{(\theta)} \\ r^5\sin{(2\theta)} - r^4\sin{(\theta)} &= 0 \\ r^4 \left[ r\sin{(2\theta)} - \sin{(\theta)} \right] &= 0 \\ r^4 = 0 \textrm{ or } r\sin{(2\theta)} - \sin{(\theta)} &= 0 \\ r = 0 \textrm{ or } 2r\sin{(\theta)}\cos{(\theta)} - \sin{(\theta)} &= 0 \\ \sin{(\theta)} \left[ 2r\cos{(\theta)} - 1 \right] &= 0 \\ \sin{(\theta)} = 0 \textrm{ or } r\cos{(\theta)} &= \frac{1}{2} \\ \theta = n\pi \textrm{ where } n \in \mathbf{Z} \textrm{ or } r = \frac{1}{2\cos{(\theta)}} \end{align*}

You need to check EVERY ONE of these three solutions:

\displaystyle \begin{align*} r = 0 , \theta = n\pi , r = \frac{1}{2\cos{(\theta)}} \end{align*}
 
Prove It said:
Word of God: Do not ever divide by 0, or something that could possibly be 0.

divided_by_zero__by_zrandomanimations-d38vxe8.jpg
 
Prove It said:
When you equate the imaginary parts, there are THREE possible solutions.

Word of God: Do not ever divide by 0, or something that could possibly be 0.

\displaystyle \begin{align*} r^5\sin{(2\theta)} &= r^4\sin{(\theta)} \\ r^5\sin{(2\theta)} - r^4\sin{(\theta)} &= 0 \\ r^4 \left[ r\sin{(2\theta)} - \sin{(\theta)} \right] &= 0 \\ r^4 = 0 \textrm{ or } r\sin{(2\theta)} - \sin{(\theta)} &= 0 \\ r = 0 \textrm{ or } 2r\sin{(\theta)}\cos{(\theta)} - \sin{(\theta)} &= 0 \\ \sin{(\theta)} \left[ 2r\cos{(\theta)} - 1 \right] &= 0 \\ \sin{(\theta)} = 0 \textrm{ or } r\cos{(\theta)} &= \frac{1}{2} \\ \theta = n\pi \textrm{ where } n \in \mathbf{Z} \textrm{ or } r = \frac{1}{2\cos{(\theta)}} \end{align*}

You need to check EVERY ONE of these three solutions:

\displaystyle \begin{align*} r = 0 , \theta = n\pi , r = \frac{1}{2\cos{(\theta)}} \end{align*}

Ah yes, I did take care of $r=0$ solution but the sine one slipped through my mind, I should have been careful. :o

Since $r=\frac{1}{2\cos\theta}$ gives no valid solutions, we switch to $\sin\theta=0$. To have valid solutions, we must have
$$\theta=\cdots -4\pi,-2\pi,0,2\pi,4\pi\cdots $$
Substituting the above value of $\theta$ in the equation obtained from comparing the real parts, I get:
$$r^4=2 \Rightarrow r=2^{1/4}$$
Hence, we have $z=2^{1/4}+i\cdot 0$.

Thanks a lot ProveIt and ZaidAlyafey! :)

I like Serena said:
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LOL!
 
How pity. I checked the case when $$\theta= 0$$ but I forgot the case $\theta = \pi$ is also a valid solution.

Guys check this . And I am only wondering how this could be a solution ?!
 
ZaidAlyafey said:
How pity. I checked the case when $$\theta= 0$$ but I forgot the case $\theta = \pi$ is also a valid solution.

Guys check this . And I am only wondering how this could be a solution ?!

ZaidAlyafey, you are right, I cannot use the values of $\theta$ I wrote because if I do, I get:
$$r^5=r^4+r^5+2 \Rightarrow r^4=-2$$
which is not possible.

Instead, the following are the possible values of $\theta$,
$$\theta=\cdots -3\pi,-\pi,\pi,3\pi \cdots$$

Thank you ZaidAlyafey! :o
 
Hi,
I must disagree with your original statement that direct substitution is not a good idea. I think the simplest way to proceed is via substitution. The attachment shows the solution:

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