What are the principles of our time?

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In summary, the conversation discusses various principles that have driven the development of theories in physics, such as the equivalence principle and Planck's principle. The speakers also question the role of the anthropic principle and discuss how these principles may relate to current issues in physics, such as dark matter and energy. One speaker suggests that the guiding principle in understanding nature is the equivalence between expectations and verifiable truths. They also discuss the implications of this principle, including the idea that interactions and learning are closely related and that there may be missing ingredients in our understanding of gravity.
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The equivalence principle was a fundamental foundation for GR, but there seems to be no similarly powerful principle of our time -- right? I don't count the anthropic principle, which seems to me not to be mathematically powerful, but should I?

Perhaps we can say that there was such a thing as Planck's "principle", the equivalence of energy and frequency, momentum and wavelength, etc., which drove the development of the old quantum theory in the 1900s, but that doesn't seem to account well for developments in the new quantum theory in the 1920s.

The correspondence principle was used as a powerful tool in the early days of the new quantum theory, but it seems not to have quite the same status as the principle of equivalence or Planck's principle.

It seems worthwhile to point out that the principle of equivalence is commonly described as a "empirical" principle, whereas Planck's "principle" seems rather more subtle than just empirical.

So, what principles are currently driving people's thinking?

An additional question is: where are there empirical needs that might require a theory that is driven by a new principle?
One big question seems to be dark matter and energy. Is this a signature of a new theory, or is it just dark matter and energy. Is this the body in the outer solar system that modifies the orbits of Jupiter and Saturn, or is it the body in the inner solar system that was supposed to modify the precession of the perihelion of Mercury? The standard model of particle physics has its empirical doubts and its theoretical difficulties, but am I right that nothing is so glaring as dark matter and energy?
 
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Interesting question.

Peter Morgan said:
So, what principles are currently driving people's thinking?

To speak for myself, some a broad scientific (non-physics specific) guiding principles for me is the equivalence between expectations and the verifiable truths - both to which for me are subjective(=relative), which I see as a natural extension of bohrs mantra

"It is wrong to think that the task of physics is to find out how Nature is. Physics concerns what we say about Nature"

I'd strengten this to say that the is in fact no distinguishable difference between what nature is and what we can say about nature. So apparently nature is all about relative expectations. And thus exploring nature, seems to be nothing but exploring the logic of what we can say, and what questions we can formulate. Basically the essence of scientific method.

Needless to say this demolished classical realism, if it wasn't done yet but what's the possible implications?

As I see it. One "implication" is that my chosen actions are determined to an expected probability by my own expectations. However, my expectations are updated in ways that are not predictable (which toasts unitaritry; I think unitarity will be recovered nicely near "equilibrium"). But since this is supposedly mutual, the entire universe is subject to a very strange self-interaction, and possibly emergent self-stabilised structures.

This seems to have implications for "information processing" and "learning". I think interactions and learning are closely related. Of course, when the learning capacity is saturated, one can't learn anymore, and there is equilibrium.

I'm not sure if this makes sense, but it's one of my guiding principles and I'm working on figure out it's implications, and try to understand the foundations of both QM and GR in terms of this. If you look at feymanns thinking, I think you can smell this, but I think there are missing ingredients in the fundamental level that would complete the formalism and reveal what is also up with gravity. I think of the path integral formalism as a simplified version of something we don't yet understand but will com to understand.

/Fredrik
 
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The principles of our time are constantly evolving and are shaped by the current state of scientific knowledge and discoveries. One principle that has been fundamental in shaping our understanding of the universe is the principle of equivalence, which was a cornerstone of Einstein's theory of general relativity. However, this principle may not hold the same weight in our current understanding of the universe as it did in the early 20th century.

There are other principles that have emerged in recent times, such as the anthropic principle, which suggests that the universe must be compatible with the existence of observers. However, as you mentioned, this principle may not have the same mathematical power as the principle of equivalence.

It is important to note that principles in science are not set in stone and can change as we gain new knowledge and understanding. The correspondence principle, for example, was a powerful tool in the early days of quantum theory but may not hold the same status now.

Currently, there are many questions and empirical needs that may require a new principle to drive our thinking. One example is the search for a theory that can explain dark matter and energy, which are still major mysteries in our understanding of the universe. This could potentially lead to the development of a new principle that can provide a deeper understanding of these phenomena.

In conclusion, the principles of our time are constantly evolving and are shaped by the current state of scientific knowledge and discoveries. While the principle of equivalence and other foundational principles still hold significance, new principles may emerge as we continue to push the boundaries of our understanding of the universe.
 

What are the principles of our time?

The principles of our time refer to the core beliefs and values that guide our society and shape our behaviors and actions. These principles help us understand the world we live in and make decisions that align with our values.

1. What are some examples of principles of our time?

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2. How do principles of our time change over time?

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3. How do principles of our time affect scientific progress?

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4. Are principles of our time universal?

While some principles of our time may be widely accepted and upheld by many societies, they are not necessarily universal. Different cultures and communities may have different principles that guide their beliefs and behaviors. However, there may be some overarching principles, such as human rights, that are recognized globally.

5. How can we ensure that principles of our time are reflected in our actions?

One way to ensure that principles of our time are reflected in our actions is by constantly evaluating our decisions and behaviors against these principles. We can also advocate for policies and laws that align with these principles and actively work towards creating a more just and equitable society.

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