What Are the Problems with Mole Fraction in Chemical Reactions?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of mole fraction in the context of chemical reactions, particularly focusing on the cracking process of hydrocarbons. Participants express confusion regarding the application and implications of mole fraction, especially in relation to the products formed during cracking.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the meaning of mole fraction for products, questioning its relation to the total number of carbon and hydrogen atoms in hydrocarbons like methane, ethene, and propene.
  • Another participant provides a definition of mole fraction, indicating it is the ratio of the number of moles of a substance to the total number of moles of all substances present.
  • Some participants indicate uncertainty about how to apply mole fraction in solving the problem, with one asking for hints on how to find the value of X.
  • A participant suggests that solving the problem requires making false assumptions about the cracking process, noting that the stoichiometry involved is complex and does not adhere to simple equations due to multiple parallel reactions.
  • There is a discussion about whether the mole fraction calculation considers produced hydrogen, with a participant pointing out that hydrogen must be present if alkenes are produced, yet it is not listed in the problem.
  • Some participants speculate on the possible reactions involved in cracking, presenting different interpretations of the carbon atom counts based on varying reaction equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express confusion and uncertainty regarding the application of mole fraction in this context. Multiple competing views on the reactions and their stoichiometry remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their understanding of the assumptions required for the cracking process and the implications of mole fraction in this scenario. There is an acknowledgment that the overall reaction may involve complex stoichiometry and parallel reactions.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution


First, I'm a bit confused as to what the mole fraction of the products mean. Can someone explain? Is it something to do about the total number of carbon and hydrogen atoms in methane, ethene and propene?

Just can't figure this out.
 
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Mole fraction is

\frac {number~of~moles~of~the~substance}{total~number~of~moles~of~all~substances~present}
 
Borek said:
Mole fraction is

\frac {number~of~moles~of~the~substance}{total~number~of~moles~of~all~substances~present}
Could you give me a hint as how this information can be used in finding X? I have no clue.
 
To be honest, I have no clue either. The only way to solve is to make some false assumptions about how the cracking process works - that is, to assume it is possible tow rite a simple reaction equation. That is not correct - stoichiometry of cracking is rather messy and doesn't follow simple equations, overall reaction equation will contain plenty of fractional coefficients - not because it follows some other chemistry rules, but because overall process is a combination of many different parallel reactions going at the same time and competing. Plus, it is not clear if the mole fraction takes into account produced hydrogen or not (if there are alkenes produced, hydrogen must be present between products, yet it is not listed).

I think I could be able to prove each of the answers to be the right one. Futile exercise.
 
Borek said:
To be honest, I have no clue either. The only way to solve is to make some false assumptions about how the cracking process works - that is, to assume it is possible tow rite a simple reaction equation. That is not correct - stoichiometry of cracking is rather messy and doesn't follow simple equations, overall reaction equation will contain plenty of fractional coefficients - not because it follows some other chemistry rules, but because overall process is a combination of many different parallel reactions going at the same time and competing. Plus, it is not clear if the mole fraction takes into account produced hydrogen or not (if there are alkenes produced, hydrogen must be present between products, yet it is not listed).

I think I could be able to prove each of the answers to be the right one. Futile exercise.
Oh I see. Well the answer is B, if it helps any. I've been trying to see how the mole fraction given is used to get that answer.
 
If they think the answer is B they probably mean the cracking goes like

X → methane + 2 ethene + propene

so X contains 1 +2*2+3 = 8 atoms of carbon.

But if the reaction is

X → 2 methane + 3 ethene + propene

X contains 2*1 + 3*2 + 3 = 11 atoms of carbon and the answer is D.
 
Borek said:
If they think the answer is B they probably mean the cracking goes like

X → methane + 2 ethene + propene

so X contains 1 +2*2+3 = 8 atoms of carbon.

But if the reaction is

X → 2 methane + 3 ethene + propene

X contains 2*1 + 3*2 + 3 = 11 atoms of carbon and the answer is D.
Oh...ok. Thanks for your time.
 

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