What Is the Concept Behind Finding Mole Fraction in Gas Absorption Problems?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of finding mole fractions in gas absorption problems, particularly in the context of a packed column used to remove a specific gas component from a gas stream. Participants explore the underlying principles, mass balances, and equilibrium relations involved in the absorption process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a gas stream containing 3% A and the goal of removing 99% of A by absorption in water, expressing confusion about the concept of mole fraction in this context.
  • Another participant introduces variables for molar flow rates and mole fractions, suggesting a mass balance approach for the gas and liquid phases.
  • Mass balance equations are proposed, relating changes in mole fractions to the molar flow rates of the gas and liquid phases.
  • Equilibrium relationships are discussed, including the interphase molar flow rate and its relation to mole fractions in both phases.
  • Participants share their approaches to solving the problem, including setting initial flow rates and calculating mole fractions based on given information.
  • One participant expresses understanding after working through the problem with the guidance of others.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mass balance approach and the use of equilibrium relations, but there is no consensus on the specific method for calculating mole fractions, as some express confusion while others demonstrate understanding.

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Participants reference specific parameters and relationships, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the application of these concepts to the problem at hand. The discussion includes various interpretations of the mass balance and equilibrium equations.

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This discussion may be useful for students and professionals engaged in chemical engineering, particularly those dealing with gas absorption processes and mass transfer operations.

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A gas stream containing 3% A is passed through a packed column to remove 99% of A by absorption in the water . The absorber operates at 25 degree Celsius and 1atm and the gas and liquid rates are to be ##20\frac{mol}{hr ft^2}## and ##100\frac{mol}{hr ft^2}##. Find the ##(NTU)_{OG}## , ##(HTU)_{OG}##.
Equilibrium relation: ##y^* =3.1x##



##K_x a##= ##60\frac{mol}{hr ft^3}##
##K_y a##= ##15\frac{mol}{ hr ft^3}##

In the given picture there is a question, I'm having huge confusion in finding out the mole fraction, I have put a solution to find the mole fraction in the picture, I know its wrong. This is where I'm stucked , I don't know the concept behind this . Please someone help me to get through this , where I'm wrong and what concept is used to find mole fraction in these questions or other varieties like this .
 

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Rahulx084 said:
A gas stream containing 3% A is passed through a packed column to remove 99% of A by absorption in the water . The absorber operates at 25 degree Celsius and 1atm and the gas and liquid rates are to be ##20\frac{mol}{hr ft^2}## and ##100\frac{mol}{hr ft^2}##. Find the ##(NTU)_{OG}## , ##(HTU)_{OG}##.
Equilibrium relation: ##y^* =3.1x##



##K_x a##= ##60\frac{mol}{hr ft^3}##
##K_y a##= ##15\frac{mol}{ hr ft^3}##

In the given picture there is a question, I'm having huge confusion in finding out the mole fraction, I have put a solution to find the mole fraction in the picture, I know its wrong. This is where I'm stucked , I don't know the concept behind this . Please someone help me to get through this , where I'm wrong and what concept is used to find mole fraction in these questions or other varieties like this .
Let V and L be the molar flow rates per unit area (of column) of liquid and vapor. Let x represent the mole fraction of A in the gas phase, and let y represent the mole fraction of A in the liquid phase. Let ##phi(z)## represent the molar flow rate of A from the gas phase to the liquid phase per unit area of column at location z. Consider the section of the absorber between axial locations z and ##z+\Delta z##. What is the mass balance over this interval of A in the gas phase an of A in the liquid phase (in terms of the parameters identified so far)?
 
Chestermiller said:
Let V and L be the molar flow rates per unit area (of column) of liquid and vapor. Let x represent the mole fraction of A in the gas phase, and let y represent the mole fraction of A in the liquid phase. Let ##phi(z)## represent the molar flow rate of A from the gas phase to the liquid phase per unit area of column at location z. Consider the section of the absorber between axial locations z and ##z+\Delta z##. What is the mass balance over this interval of A in the gas phase an of A in the liquid phase (in terms of the parameters identified so far)?
Mass balance in the elemental region ##dz##
##d(Vx)=d(Ly)=phi(z)##
Where ##V##=molar flow rate of Vapour phase
##L##= Liquid molar flow rate
##x##=Mole fraction of A in gas phase
##y##= Mole fraction of A in liquid phase
 
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Here's my take on this. Let x* and y* be the concentrations of A at the gas-liquid interface. The liquid is flowing downward at rate L, and the gas is flowing upward at rate V. Let z be the vertical coordinate through the column. Let ##\phi(z)## the molar flow rate of A per unit height of column and per unit cross sectional area of column from the gas phase to the liquid phase. The mass balances on A are as follows:
$$L[x(z)-x(z+\Delta z)]=\phi \Delta z$$
$$V[y(z+\Delta z)-y(z)]=-\phi \Delta z$$
Taking the limit of these as ##\Delta z## approaches 0, we have:$$L\frac{dx}{dz}=-\phi$$
$$V\frac{dy}{dz}=-\phi$$
The interphase molar flow rate of A is related to the mole fractions in the liquid and vapor by:
$$\phi=K_ya(y-y^*)=K_xa(x^*-x)$$
The phase equilibrium relationship is $$y^*=Hx^*$$

Are you comfortable with this so far?
 
Rahulx084 said:
##d(Vx)=d(Ly)=phi(z)##
Where ##V##=molar flow rate of Vapour phase
##L##= Liquid molar flow rate
##x##=Mole fraction of A in gas phase
##y##= Mole fraction of A in liquid phase
Chestermiller said:
Here's my take on this. Let x* and y* be the concentrations of A at the gas-liquid interface. The liquid is flowing downward at rate L, and the gas is flowing upward at rate V. Let z be the vertical coordinate through the column. Let ##\phi(z)## the molar flow rate of A per unit height of column and per unit cross sectional area of column from the gas phase to the liquid phase. The mass balances on A are as follows:
$$L[x(z)-x(z+\Delta z)]=\phi \Delta z$$
$$V[y(z+\Delta z)-y(z)]=-\phi \Delta z$$
Taking the limit of these as ##\Delta z## approaches 0, we have:$$L\frac{dx}{dz}=-\phi$$
$$V\frac{dy}{dz}=-\phi$$
The interphase molar flow rate of A is related to the mole fractions in the liquid and vapor by:
$$\phi=K_ya(y-y^*)=K_xa(x^*-x)$$
The phase equilibrium relationship is $$y^*=Hx^*$$

Are you comfortable with this so far?
Yes sir
 
Do you know how to work with these equations to solve your problem?
 
Rahulx084 said:
Yes sir
Chestermiller said:
Do you know how to work with these equations to solve your problem?
Yes I guess
 
Rahulx084 said:
Yes I guess
If you'd like more help, I'll be glad to provide it. What is your first step in the solution to this problem?
 
Chestermiller said:
If you'd like more help, I'll be glad to provide it. What is your first step in the solution to this problem?
Thank you sir , I got this now .
First I take initial basis for both the flow rates , I took 100kmol for the gas phase and 500kmol for liquid phase observing their flow rates , and then I calculated the mole fraction of solute in both entering as well as leaving stream from the given information and solved further using equilibrium relation.
 
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Rahulx084 said:
Thank you sir , I got this now .
First I take initial basis for both the flow rates , I took 100kmol for the gas phase and 500kmol for liquid phase observing their flow rates , and then I calculated the mole fraction of solute in both entering as well as leaving stream from the given information and solved further using equilibrium relation.
Excellent!
 
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Thanks for your efforts sir to make my concepts clear
 

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