What Are the Properties of G(n) in Group Theory?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of the group G(n) in group theory, particularly focusing on the relationship between groups G and H that are isomorphic, and the implications for the orders of their elements. Participants explore specific examples involving direct products of cyclic groups and their isomorphisms.

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  • One participant defines G(n) as the set of elements in group G with order n and poses questions about the implications of isomorphisms on the sizes of these sets.
  • Another participant suggests demonstrating a one-to-one correspondence between elements of G and H of order n, emphasizing that isomorphisms preserve order.
  • A further contribution explains the concept of isomorphism as a renaming of elements from G to H, which could aid in understanding the problem posed.
  • One participant reflects on the structure of the group C_3 X C_3 and compares it to the cyclic group of order 4, noting that it does not behave like a cyclic group.
  • The same participant provides an example involving the Kline 4 group, illustrating the differences in group structure through addition.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and approaches to the problems posed, with no clear consensus on the solutions or interpretations of the group properties discussed.

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Some assumptions about group properties and definitions may not be explicitly stated, and the discussion includes unresolved questions regarding specific group isomorphisms and their implications.

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Students and enthusiasts of group theory, particularly those interested in the properties of cyclic groups and isomorphisms.

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ok I've managed to solve the other 2 questions.

here is my final one:

(1)
If G is a group and [itex]n \geq 1[/itex], define G(n) = { x E G: ord(x) = n}

(2)
If [itex]G \cong H[/itex] show that, for all [itex]n \geq 1[/itex], |G(n)| = |H(n)|.

(3)
Deduce that, [itex]C_3 X C_3[/itex] is not [itex]\cong C_9[/itex].
Is it true that [itex]C_3 X C_5 \cong C_15[/itex]
Is it true that [itex]C_2 X C_6 \cong C_12[/itex]

What is going on here?

any help to get me started is highly appreciated. ill attempt the questions as usual once i have some idea of what to do. thnx so much
 
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Just do it. Show that there's a one-one correspondence between the elements of G of order n and the elements of H of order n. Use the fact that there is an isomorphism between G and H, and that isomorphisms preserve order.
 
The best way to think of an isomorphism between two groups G and H is that it is a way to rename the elements of G as the elements of H so that you end up with exactly H. If you think of it this way, I think it should not be too hard to show (2).
 
smoothman: [itex]C_3 X C_3[/itex]

I think I can remember some of this. An example of the type of problem is the four group: [tex]C_2XC_2[/tex] What happens here?

We have (0,0), (1,0), (0,1), (1,1). You can build up a chart of this under addition, and we get for example: (1,0)+(0,1) = (0,0), which sends us back to zero. (In fact, any element added to itself gives 0.)

So this can not be the cyclic four group consisting, 0+1=1, 1+1=2, 1+2=3,1+3 = 0.

In fact, it is the Kline 4 group.
 
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