What are the quantum numbers for the three lowest degenerate energy states?

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The discussion revolves around identifying the quantum numbers for the three lowest degenerate energy states in a quantum mechanics context, specifically focusing on the relationship between quantum numbers and energy levels.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster expresses confusion about determining three distinct degenerate energy states using only two quantum numbers. Some participants suggest listing combinations of quantum numbers to identify patterns in energy levels.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different combinations of quantum numbers and their corresponding energies. There is an ongoing examination of how to express the same energy in multiple ways, with some guidance being offered regarding the mathematical relationships involved.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the challenge posed by the requirement to find three distinct combinations of quantum numbers that yield the same energy, which may imply constraints on the values of n1 and n2. The original poster also notes previous experiences with similar problems, indicating a learning process in understanding degeneracy in quantum states.

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Homework Statement



Find the quantum numbers of the three lowest states that have the same energy. (Enter the quantum numbers for the three states in increasing order of n1, using the format n1,n2.)

Homework Equations



En1n2=[(hbar)^2/(2m)]*[(pi)^2/(L^2)]*[(n1)^2+(n2)^2]
- Sorry about the formula; I tried entering it using LaTeX but that failed

The Attempt at a Solution



I am confused about how to find the three lowest energy states when I only have two quantum numbers. For example, the question I answered before this wanted the two lowest energy states that were degenerate, so I entered E1,2=E2,1 and it was correct. How am I supposed to come up with three different degenerate levels with only two quantum numbers? Any help would be much appreciated.
 
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here's some tex
[tex]E_{n_1,n_2}=\frac{\hbar^2}{2m} \frac{\pi^2}{L^2(n_1^2+n_2^2)}[/tex]

so only n1 & n2 change, i would start by listing out some of the energies, or equivalently the first few values fro different copmbinatinos of n1 & n2 & see if anything pops out:
[ext] (n_1^2+n_2^2) [/tex]
 
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Kind of a funny question, but you want find a number N that can be written in three different ways, as (n1)^2+(n2)^2, (n2)^2+(n1)^2 where n1 and n2 are different, and as (n3)^2+(n3)^2. From the last one it follows that N is two times a perfect square. So possibilities for N are 2, 8, 18, 32, 50, 72, 98,... One of those works. Can you find it?
 
Okay I understand what you're saying, but at the same time I don't. Will I end up with two combinations that are just opposite and one that is different than the first two.
 
Okay, nevermind I figured that out.
 

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