What are the rules for solving inequalities involving logs?

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The discussion revolves around the rules for solving inequalities that involve logarithmic functions, particularly focusing on the implications of dividing by logarithmic values and the effects of different logarithmic bases on inequalities. The scope includes conceptual understanding and mathematical reasoning related to inequalities and logarithms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a sequence of inequalities leading to a contradiction, questioning where the error occurred.
  • Another participant asks for the value of log(1/2), which is central to understanding the problem.
  • Clarification is provided that log(1/2) is base 10, though some participants suggest that the base may not significantly affect the outcome.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of dividing by log(1/2), particularly noting that it is a negative number, which changes the direction of the inequality.
  • A participant highlights that the base of the logarithm matters, especially if it is less than 1, as it affects the sign of the logarithm and the resulting inequalities.
  • Another participant reflects on the learning process, indicating that understanding the impact of multiplying or dividing by negative numbers is crucial in these contexts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the implications of logarithmic properties on inequalities. There is no consensus on a single resolution to the initial problem, as multiple perspectives on the significance of logarithmic bases and their effects on inequalities are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the base of the logarithm can influence the outcome of inequalities, particularly when the base is less than 1. This introduces additional complexity to the discussion that remains unresolved.

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Check this out:

1 < 2

\Rightarrow \frac{1}{4} < \frac{1}{2}

\Rightarrow (\frac{1}{2})^2 < \frac{1}{2}

\Rightarrow \log(\frac{1}{2})^2 < \log(\frac{1}{2})

\Rightarrow 2\cdot\log(\frac{1}{2}) < \log(\frac{1}{2})

\Rightarrow 2 < 1

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what is log(1/2)?
 
I meant log base 10 of 1/2. I don't think it matters though...
 
it's still the same problem. As shmoe suggested, try calculating log(1/2) :-p
 
You divided both sides of the equation by log(1/2). What happens to an inequality when you multiply or divide by sides by a ____________? Once again, what is log(1/2)?
 
Swapnil said:
I meant log base 10 of 1/2. I don't think it matters though...

That wasn't what you were supposed to think. I hope the other questions have cleared up what was intended. This problem is usually the first 'trick' they play on you with logs, and the first one they explain.
 
HallsofIvy said:
You divided both sides of the equation by log(1/2). What happens to an inequality when you multiply or divide by sides by a negative number? Once again, what is log(1/2)?

I got it! I am so smart.:biggrin:
 
But you still haven't told us what log(1/2) is. And why that is important.
 
Its a negative number and in the last step I divide both sides of log(1/2) which changes the sense of the inequality.
 
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Thanks for this little thread. some of us are a bit slow on the uptake...
I was working on a different problem and this helped jog me into seeing that multiplication/division by a negative number constitutes changing the sign on both sides of the equation.

By the way, it does matter slightly what base is used. If the base is < 1, then log(x), where x < 1, will actually be positive. Then when you divide out the logs you won't change the inequality.
However, the results come out the same because you have to change the inequality at an earlier stage, namely when you first take logs. Taking logs with a base < 1 of both sides reverses the inequality.

E.g.
0.25 < 0.5
but for 0.1^x = 0.25, and 0.1^y = 0.5; x > y (when raising a number < 1 to a power, the larger the power the smaller the result)
 
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