What are the solutions for (a,b) if 5a^2+5ab+5b^2=7a+14b?

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The discussion revolves around finding integer solutions for the equation \(5a^2 + 5ab + 5b^2 = 7a + 14b\). Participants explore various methods and approaches to solve this equation, including algebraic manipulations and inequalities.

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  • Some participants state that \(a\) and \(b\) are integers and seek all possible solutions for the equation.
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  • A participant presents an inequality derived from the equation, stating \(21y \geq 5xy\) and concludes that \(x \leq 4\), suggesting a specific case where \(x = 4\) leads to further conditions on \(y\).
  • Another participant requests clarification on the application of the Arithmetic Mean-Geometric Mean (AM-GM) inequality in the context of the derived inequality.
  • Participants express confusion regarding the steps taken to arrive at the inequality and the implications of AM-GM in this scenario.

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Participants have not fully clarified the assumptions underlying their methods, and there are unresolved mathematical steps in the derivations presented. The discussion also reflects varying levels of understanding regarding the application of inequalities.

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$a,b$ are all integers

(1) $if : \,\, 5a^2+5ab+5b^2=7a+14b$

please find all solutions of $(a,b)$
 
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My solution:

Applying the quadratic formula, we find:

$$b=\frac{(14-5a)\pm\sqrt{14^2-3(5a)^2}}{10}$$

Now we require:

$$14^2-3(5a)^2\ge0$$

which implies:

$$a\in\{-1,0,1\}$$

Case 1: $$a=-1$$

$$b=\frac{19\pm11}{10}$$

The integral value is $$b=3$$

Hence, $(a,b)=(-1,3)$ is a solution.

Case 2: $$a=0$$

$$b=\frac{14\pm14}{10}$$

The integral value is $$b=0$$

Hence, $(a,b)=(0,0)$ is a solution.

Case 3: $$a=1$$

$$b=\frac{9\pm11}{10}$$

The integral value is $$b=2$$

Hence, $(a,b)=(1,2)$ is a solution.
 
MarkFL said:
My solution:

Applying the quadratic formula, we find:

$$b=\frac{(14-5a)\pm\sqrt{14^2-3(5a)^2}}{10}$$

Now we require:

$$14^2-3(5a)^2\ge0$$

which implies:

$$a\in\{-1,0,1\}$$

Case 1: $$a=-1$$

$$b=\frac{19\pm11}{10}$$

The integral value is $$b=3$$

Hence, $(a,b)=(-1,3)$ is a solution.

Case 2: $$a=0$$

$$b=\frac{14\pm14}{10}$$

The integral value is $$b=0$$

Hence, $(a,b)=(0,0)$ is a solution.

Case 3: $$a=1$$

$$b=\frac{9\pm11}{10}$$

The integral value is $$b=2$$

Hence, $(a,b)=(1,2)$ is a solution.
thanks ,your answer is quite right(Yes)
 
my solution:
let x=2a+b,and y=a+2b
$ \therefore a=\dfrac {2x-y}{3},\,\,b=\dfrac {2y-x}{3}$
$5(a^2+ab+b^2)=7a+14b,\,\,becomes:$
$5(x^2-xy+y^2)=21y$
and we get :$y=5---(1),\,\, x^2-xy+y^2=21---(2)$
from (1)(2) (x,y)=(1,5)and (4,5)
and the corresponding (a,b)=(-1,3) and (1,2)
of course the third solution of (a,b)=(0,0)
 
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Albert said:
my solution:
let x=2a+b,and y=a+2b
$ \therefore a=\dfrac {2x-y}{3},\,\,y=\dfrac {2y-x}{3}$
$5(a^2+ab+b^2)=7a+14b,\,\,becomes:$
$5(x^2-xy+y^2)=21y$
and we get :$y=5---(1),\,\, x^2-xy+y^2=21---(2)$
from (1)(2) (x,y)=(1,5)and (4,5)
and the corresponding (a,b)=(-1,3) and (1,2)
of course the third solution of (a,b)=(0,0)
not correct as below
$5(x^2−xy+y^2)=21y$
and we get :y=5−−−(1),$x^2−xy+y^2=21$−−−(2)

is not strictly correctit could be

y=5k−−−(1),$x^2−xy+y^2=21k$−−−(2)
 
kaliprasad said:
not correct as below
$5(x^2−xy+y^2)=21y$
and we get :y=5−−−(1),$x^2−xy+y^2=21$−−−(2)

is not strictly correctit could be

y=5k−−−(1),$x^2−xy+y^2=21k$−−−(2)
$5(x^2−xy+y^2)=21y----(@)$
we get :$21y\geq 5xy$ $(AP\geq GP)$
$\therefore x\leq 4$ (x,y being integers)
if x=4 ,y=5k
from (@) :$16-20k+25k^2=21k$
$16+25k^2=41k$
k must =1
 
Albert said:
$5(x^2−xy+y^2)=21y----(@)$
we get :$21y\geq 5xy$ $(AP\geq GP)$
$\therefore x\leq 4$ (x,y being integers)
if x=4 ,y=5k
from (@) :$16-20k+25k^2=21k$
$16+25k^2=41k$
k must =1

could you explain me how

we get :21y≥5xy (AM≥GM) AM and GM of what ?

I an sorry that I could not understand
 
kaliprasad said:
could you explain me how

we get :21y≥5xy (AM≥GM) AM and GM of what ?

I an sorry that I could not understand
$21y=5(x^2-xy+y^2)\geq 5(2xy-xy)=5xy$

$ for: \,\, x^2+y^2\geq 2xy \,\, (AM\geq GM) $
 
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