What Are the Steps to Prove the Convolution Theorem?

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The discussion revolves around the Fourier transform and the convolution theorem, specifically focusing on the steps required to prove the convolution theorem as part of a larger problem involving Fourier transforms of various functions.

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  • Participants discuss the Fourier transforms of given functions and explore the implications of their results on the convolution theorem. There are attempts to clarify the definitions and relationships between the functions involved, particularly in parts (a) through (e). Some participants question the correctness of specific equations and suggest alternative methods for approaching part (e).

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The conversation includes constructive feedback on the original poster's work, with some participants pointing out potential errors and suggesting simpler approaches. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of evaluating certain expressions at specific values, such as ω=0, and how this affects the overall understanding of the problem.

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Participants note potential typographical errors in the original poster's equations and discuss the implications of these errors on the interpretation of the results. The complexity of the displacement and velocity calculations is also highlighted, with some participants expressing confusion over the results being complex numbers.

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Part(a)/(b)/(c): Fourier transform the following:

Part(d): Prove the convolution theorem

Part (e): Find total displacement

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Part(a)
[tex]f = \frac {1}{sqrt{2\pi}} \int_{-\infty}{\infty} F e^{-iωt} dω[/tex]

[tex]\frac {1}{\sqrt{2\pi}} \int_{-T}{T}[/tex]
[tex]= \frac{1}{iω\sqrt{2\pi}} [e^{iωT} - e^{-iωT}][/tex]
[tex]= \sqrt{\frac{2}{\pi}} \frac {sin (ωt)}{ω}[/tex]

Part (b)
[tex]F_2 = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi}} \int_{-\infty}^{0}e^{-at}e^{iωt} dt + \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi}} \int_{0}^{\infty}e^{-at}e^{iωt} dt[/tex]
[tex]= -\frac{2a}{\sqrt{2\pi}(a^2 + ω^2)}[/tex]

Part(c)

Using result from (b):
[tex]F_2 = -\frac{2a}{\sqrt{2\pi}(a^2 + ω^2)}[/tex]

Let a = 1,

[tex]e^{-|t|} = -\frac{1}{2\pi} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \frac {2}{1+ω^2} e^{-iωt} dω[/tex]

[tex]t→-t,[/tex]
[tex]e^{-|-t|} = \frac {1}{\pi} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \frac {1}{1+ω^2} e^{iωt} dω[/tex]

[tex]t→ω,[/tex]
[tex]e^{-|ω|} = \frac {1}{\pi} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \frac {1}{1+t^2} e^{iωt} dt[/tex]

Part(e)

[tex]V_{(ω)} = \sqrt{2\pi} F_{(ω)}G_{(ω)} = \frac {2}{\pi} \frac {a sin (ωT)}{a^2 + ω^2}[/tex]

[tex]sin (ωT) = \frac {1}{2i} (e^{iωT} - e^{-iωT}) ,[/tex]

Taking inverse Fourier transform of Vω:

[tex]V_{(t)} = \frac {1}{i\pi}(\frac{a}{\sqrt{2\pi}}) \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \frac {1}{a^2 + ω^2} e^{iω(T-t)} dω + \frac {1}{i\pi}(\frac{a}{\sqrt{2\pi}}) \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \frac {1}{a^2 + ω^2} e^{-iω(t+T)} dω[/tex]

My velocity is complex! Strange...

This is related to inverse Fourier transform of F2, f2 but as a function of (t-T) and (t+T):

[tex]i(\frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi}}) f_2(t-T) - i(\frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi}}) f_2(t+T)[/tex]
[tex]= i\frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi}}[e^{-a|t-T|} - e^{-a|t+T|}][/tex]

To find the displacement, simply integrate the above with respect to t from -∞ to ∞.

[tex]s = i\frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi}} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} e^{-a|t-T|} dt - i\frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi}} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} e^{-a|t+T|} dt[/tex]
[tex]= i\sqrt{\frac{2}{\pi a}}(e^{-aT} - e^{aT})[/tex]

Again complex displacement.. (and negative)
 
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That's some nice work on parts a to c. at the end of part a, it should be ##\tau## (not ##t##), but I'm guessing that is just a miss-type. For part e, there is a mistake in this equation:
[tex]V_{(ω)} = \sqrt{2\pi} F_{(ω)}G_{(ω)} = \frac {2}{\pi} \frac {a sin (ωT)}{a^2 + ω^2}[/tex]
there should be another ##\omega## from ##f_1## (which you have got in part a). And it looks like you've missed out the ##\sqrt{2\pi}## which is on the left hand side of the equation.

Also, there is a simpler way to do part e. You don't need to do the inverse Fourier transform. hint: you have got ##\tilde{V}(\omega )## and you want
[tex]\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}V(t) dt[/tex]
So, thinking about the definition of the Fourier transform, what is the easiest way to get this?
 
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BruceW said:
That's some nice work on parts a to c. at the end of part a, it should be ##\tau## (not ##t##), but I'm guessing that is just a miss-type. For part e, there is a mistake in this equation:
[tex]V_{(ω)} = \sqrt{2\pi} F_{(ω)}G_{(ω)} = \frac {2}{\pi} \frac {a sin (ωT)}{a^2 + ω^2}[/tex]
there should be another ##\omega## from ##f_1## (which you have got in part a). And it looks like you've missed out the ##\sqrt{2\pi}## which is on the left hand side of the equation.

Also, there is a simpler way to do part e. You don't need to do the inverse Fourier transform. hint: you have got ##\tilde{V}(\omega )## and you want
[tex]\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}V(t) dt[/tex]
So, thinking about the definition of the Fourier transform, what is the easiest way to get this?

[tex]\tilde{V}(ω) = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} V_{(t)} e^{iωt} dt[/tex]

I've been thinking of a way to 'remove' the exp[iωt] from the integral and everything would be perfect. The only way is if ω = 0. But if ω = 0, LHS = 0..
 
yes, use ##\omega=0##. The left hand side is not zero, it is ##\tilde{V}(0)## this isn't zero. Even if it was zero, that would still be the correct answer, since the right hand side is exactly what you are looking for.
 
BruceW said:
yes, use ##\omega=0##. The left hand side is not zero, it is ##\tilde{V}(0)## this isn't zero. Even if it was zero, that would still be the correct answer, since the right hand side is exactly what you are looking for.

The 0 comes about from the sin (ωT) function and part (a) looks right to me..
 
you have got the correct answer to part (a), but part (a) evaluated at ##\omega=0## is not equal to zero.

edit: you have
[tex]\sqrt{\frac{2}{\pi}} \frac {sin (ω\tau)}{ω}[/tex]
but this is not zero for ##\omega=0##
 
BruceW said:
you have got the correct answer to part (a), but part (a) evaluated at ##\omega=0## is not equal to zero.

edit: you have
[tex]\sqrt{\frac{2}{\pi}} \frac {sin (ω\tau)}{ω}[/tex]
but this is not zero for ##\omega=0##

Ah ok, I get it, thanks so much!
 
hehe, no problem!
 

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