What are the SU groups? I.e SU(2), SU(3)?

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The discussion revolves around the understanding of special unitary groups, specifically SU(2) and SU(3), in the context of particle physics. Participants explore their definitions, properties, and implications in quantum mechanics and quantum chromodynamics (QCD).

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the meaning of SU(3) in relation to the conservation law of color in QCD and seeks a basic understanding of its implications in particle physics.
  • Another participant defines SU as "Special Unitary," explaining that a matrix is unitary if its adjoint multiplied by itself equals the identity matrix, and that a special unitary matrix has a determinant of 1.
  • A comparison is made between SU(3) and SO(3), noting that SO(3) consists of 3D rotation matrices and is characterized by orthogonal matrices with determinant 1.
  • Further elaboration on SU(3) describes it as the group of 3x3 complex matrices that preserve the inner product of 3-component complex vectors, highlighting its significance in quantum mechanics.
  • One participant notes that SU(2) serves as a double cover of SO(3), indicating that two SU(2) values correspond to one SO(3) value, and discusses the historical context of Pauli's work on spin using SU(2) matrices.
  • It is mentioned that while standard quantum mechanics requires SU(2), QCD necessitates the use of SU(3).

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Participants present various definitions and properties of SU(2) and SU(3) without reaching a consensus on the implications of these groups in particle physics. There is a general agreement on the mathematical definitions, but the discussion remains exploratory regarding their physical ramifications.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the familiarity with linear algebra and quantum mechanics, which may not be universally held among all participants. There are also unresolved aspects regarding the deeper implications of SU(2) and SU(3) in the context of particle physics.

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I'm revising for my introductory particle physics exam and I've noticed SU(3) pop up a few times, it was never really explained and I don't really understand what it means.

For example when talking about the conservation law of Colour, it says the symmetry is phase invariance under SU(3) group of QCD. What does that mean?

I don't think I'll be rigorously examined on this but I'd like to be able to have a basic understanding of what it means and the ramifications of it.

So if anyone could explain it and why that means for me at the moment in particle physics, that would be tremendously helpful!
 
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RyanTG said:
I'm revising for my introductory particle physics exam and I've noticed SU(3) pop up a few times, it was never really explained and I don't really understand what it means.

For example when talking about the conservation law of Colour, it says the symmetry is phase invariance under SU(3) group of QCD. What does that mean?

I don't think I'll be rigorously examined on this but I'd like to be able to have a basic understanding of what it means and the ramifications of it.

So if anyone could explain it and why that means for me at the moment in particle physics, that would be tremendously helpful!

SU stands for "Special Unitary".

If you have a matrix A, it is "unitary" if A^\dagger A = I, where I is the identity matrix. A "special unitary" matrix has the additional constraint that det(A) = 1
 
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A somewhat similar group is the SO(3), one representation of which are the 3d rotation matrices and which can be parametrized with Euler angles. Here the "O" means that the matrices in the representation are orthogonal and the "S" that their determinant has value 1 (the operations involve only rotation, not reflections).
 
Appending on the above:

SU(3) specifically means the group of 3x3 complex matrices who's Hermitian adjoint is its own inverse (##A^\dagger=A^{-1}##). These matrices conserve the inner product of 3-component complex vectors. Given two 3 component complex column vectors ##x## and ##y##, their inner product ##x_1^*y_1+x_2^*y_2+x_3^*y_3## is constant under the transformation ##x'=Ax## and ##y'=Ay## for ##A\in SU(3)##.

This property of preserving the inner product is why we like unitary groups in quantum mechanics. It is also the property that makes SU(3) similar to SO(3) since SO(3) does the same for 3-component real vectors. But I should warn you that looking beyond this simple analogy, the two groups SU(3) and SO(3) are quite different both algebraically and topologically. SU(3) has 8 dimensions (spanned for example by the 8 Gell-Mann matrices) while SO(3) is of dimension 3.
 
We should remember that SU(2) is a double cover of SO(3). Simply speaking there are 2 different instances of an SU(2) value that give you an equivalent of an SO(3) value. This is because of the characteristics of rotating an object modeled in SU(2) differs from rotating an object in SO(3).

Pauli originally developed the handling of "spin" using SU(2) matrices. Standard QM requires only SU(2) modeling while QCD requires SU(3) as you mention RyanTG.

This should help in explaining the mathematics of how the "physics of a particle in a field is invariant under certain local transformations of the phase" in SU(1) and SU(2):

https://www.physicsforums.com/library.php?do=view_item&itemid=136
 
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