What Are the Symmetry and Asymptotes of the Folium of Descartes?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of the folium of Descartes, specifically focusing on its symmetry, asymptotes, and the derivation of its Cartesian equation. Participants explore various mathematical approaches and reasoning related to these properties.

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  • One participant attempts to demonstrate the symmetry of the curve with respect to the line y=x by finding a parameter t that satisfies the equations for points (a, b) and (b, a).
  • Another participant suggests considering the limits of the parametric equations as t approaches ±∞ to analyze the asymptotic behavior.
  • A different participant proposes solving for t by dividing the two parametric equations and substituting back to find the Cartesian equation.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the interpretation of roots obtained from a quadratic equation derived from the symmetry condition.
  • Another participant discusses the gradient of the line y=-x-1 and its relationship to the derivative of the folium of Descartes, suggesting this verifies the asymptote.
  • Several participants share hints and strategies for tackling the problems, including the use of parameter manipulation and limits.

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Participants express various approaches to the problems, but there is no consensus on the methods or interpretations of the results. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best strategies to demonstrate the properties of the folium of Descartes.

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Some participants note limitations in their understanding of the implications of the quadratic roots and the behavior of the parametric equations at infinity, indicating that further clarification may be needed.

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I'm trying to attack a question on folium of Descartes from J.Stewart Calculus book.
Here are the ones I've been trying so far and got stuck:

btw parametric equations are:
x=\frac{3t}{1+t^{3}}

y=\frac{3t^{2}}{1+t^{3}}

(a) Show that if (a, b) lies on the curve, then so does (b, a); that is, the curve is symmetric
with respect to the line y=x...
(c) Show that the line y=-x - 1 is a slant asymptote.
(e) Show that a Cartesian equation of this curve is x^{3} + y^{3} = 3xy.

A:
I suppose that if (a, b) is on the curve, then we should find a parameter t such that it
solves the following system:
\frac{3t}{1+t^{3}} = b
\frac{3t^{2}}{1+t^{3}} = a

Adding these up then expanding (1 + t^{3}) and canceling
I end up with a quadratic equation in this form:
t1,2 = \frac{-(3+a+b)+/-\sqrt{(3 + a + b)^{2} - 4(a+b)^{2}}}{2(a+b)}

I checked this up for a value of t=3 giving me some values for a and b, one of the roots is 1/3 which gives a point (b, a); But what is the meaning of the second root? I tried to constraint the discriminator but it does not make much sense to impose limitations on value a+b, cause they should lie on the curve, but that does not mean that for every point(a,b) the equation will have a solution.
Am I doing something wrong?

C:
Completely lost here; I tried looking at the limits of both parametric equations as t goes to -\infty and +\infty, but they approach 0 from either left or right, which can be right...Thou I'd expect both limits to be \infty as a point approaches the asymptote, what values of t should I look at then; or would it be right look at the ration of both limits? e.g how faster y increases compared to x...

E:
Similar story; From what I've seen before, the way to solve is to eliminate the parameter from one of the equations... I've tried different algebraic manipulations with no success, probably there's another approach or some "trick" :)

I'm trying to crack this task for 2 nights already and it start to become frustrating that I can't really solve most of the questions in it/\
 
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Hints: For the first, (a,b) corresponds to a point t_1.
(b,a) corresponds to a point t_2.

For the second, consider how x\rightarrow-\infty and y\rightarrow\infty.
 
a) Let (x0, y0) be a point on the curve. Then there exists t0 such that
x_0=\frac{3t_0}{1+t_0^{3}}
y_0=\frac{3t_0^{2}}{1+t_0^{3}}

Now what's the point for t=1/t0 .. that is
x_1=\frac{3/t_0}{1+1/t_0^{3}}=y_0
y_1=\frac{3/t_0^2}{1+1/t_0^{3}}=x_0

E) Solve for t by dividing the two equations and then plug back t into either of the two equations.
 
Emmanuel114, I got the expression for t2 ( \frac{-(3+a+b)+/-\sqrt{(3 + a + b)^{2} - 4(a+b)^{2}}}{2(a+b)}) and one of the roots appear to be 1/t0 as ansrivas
mentions.

ansrivas, how did you guess expression for t of a point (y0, x0)? It is not evident from when you just look at the equations.

E) Solve for t by dividing the two equations and then plug back t into either of the two equations. - I'll try that, thanks! Did you know the answer before, or did you see straight away? That always stunned me how in some derivations and proofs some tricks are applied and viola - it all works out!
 
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y=-x-1,

we can see that as the line approaches this asymptote, the gradient of the line will be the same as the gradient of this asymptote.

Looking for dy/dx of the folium of Descartes, and looking for the limit of dy/dx where y->
-x-1, then dy/dx =-1,

this verifies.
 
Thanks for help guys! Finally got the trick of dividing one equation the other :)
This yields an expression for t = 1/t0 for A)
 

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