What Are the Two Factors of 15120 Given Their Sum and Difference?

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The problem involves finding two factors of 15120 given their product and the difference between them. The subject area includes number theory and algebra, particularly focusing on factorization and properties of even and odd numbers.

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  • Participants discuss the properties of the factors based on their product and difference, noting that both factors must be even. There are attempts to relate the factors to their divisibility by 3 and other primes. Some participants explore quadratic equations derived from the problem setup, while others suggest trial and error methods or using the square root of 15120 as a starting point.

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Participants note the constraints of the problem, including the requirement that the factors must be even and the implications of their difference being 6. There is also mention of the prime factorization of 15120, which may influence the discussion.

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Homework Statement
Find two factors of ##15120## such that their difference is ##6## and their product is ##15120##
Relevant Equations
Arithmetic
##15120=2^4 \cdot 3^3 \cdot 5 \cdot 7##. Now let the two factors be ##a,b##. I am given ##ab=15120## and ##a-b=6##.

##15120## is an even number, hence one of the factors must be even. Since ##a-b=6##, I can confirm both ##a,b## are even because only even subtracted by even results in even.

One of the factors must be divisible by ##3## because ##15120## itself is divisible by ##3##. And then I'm stuck. How do I confirm the other factor is divisible or not divisible by ##3##? I suspect it has something to do with ##a-b=2\cdot3##, but I'm not sure how to prove it either way. Thanks.
 
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From (x + a)(x - b) = x^2 + (a - b)x - ab we can see that -a and b are the roots of x^2 + 6x - 15120 = (x + 3)^2 - 15129 = (x + 3)^2 - 121^2.
 
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Homework Statement: Find two factors of ##15120## such that their difference is ##6## and their product is ##15120##
Relevant Equations: Arithmetic

##15120=2^4 \cdot 3^3 \cdot 5 \cdot 7##. Now let the two factors be ##a,b##. I am given ##ab=15120## and ##a-b=6##.

##15120## is an even number, hence one of the factors must be even. Since ##a-b=6##, I can confirm both ##a,b## are even because only even subtracted by even results in even.

One of the factors must be divisible by ##3## because ##15120## itself is divisible by ##3##. And then I'm stuck. How do I confirm the other factor is divisible or not divisible by ##3##? I suspect it has something to do with ##a-b=2\cdot3##, but I'm not sure how to prove it either way. Thanks.
It is easier to solve the quadratic equation you get from Vieta's formulas ##15120=a\cdot b = a\cdot (a-6)=a^2-6a,## e.g. by completing the square, i.e. ##0=a^2-6a-15120=(a-3)^2- 15129## and compute the square root of ##\sqrt{15129}=123,## e.g. by using the Newton-Raphson method. This gives us ##15120=120\cdot 126.##

Now, to your question: How to solve it by number theoretical methods?

The only instant tool I can think of is the definition of prime numbers: ##p\,|\,(xy) \Longrightarrow p\,|\,x\text{ or } p\,|\,y.## Since we know the prime factors of ##15120## we know that one of the factors ##a,b## must be divisible by ##5## and one by ##7.## You can therefore think of two urns ##a,b## filled with those primes ##\{2,2,2,2,3,3,3,5,7\}.## We know that each urn contains at least one ##2## and at least one ##3:##
\begin{align*}
3\,|\,a\cdot b &\Longrightarrow \text{ (say) } 3\,|\,a\text{ (say) }a=3k\\
b=a-6=3(k-2) &\Longrightarrow 3\,|\,b
\end{align*}

That leaves you with possible urns ##\{2,3,5,\ldots\}## and ##\{2,3,7,\ldots\}## and since we know the solution, you can start seeking with the appropriate filling:
$$
\{a\}\cup \{b\}=\{2,2,2,3,5\}\cup\{2,3,3,7\}
$$
If you want to test all possibilities, then we have ##\{2,2,2,3,3\}## left to put in the two urns, i.e. ##\binom 5 2 =10## distributions to check.
 
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If ##a - b = 6##, then ##a## and ##b## must be of a similar magnitude. A bit of trial and error should do it.
 
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Another idea is to take the square root of ##15120##. The two factors must be approximately this ##\pm 3##.
 
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pasmith said:
From (x + a)(x - b) = x^2 + (a - b)x - ab we can see that -a and b are the roots of x^2 + 6x - 15120 = (x + 3)^2 - 15129 = (x + 3)^2 - 121^2.
There is typo there (I hope). That should be:

##\displaystyle (x + 3)^2 - 15129 = (x + 3)^2 - 123^2##
 

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