What are the two questions on kinematics?

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The discussion revolves around two kinematics questions: one involving the optimal angle for a ball thrown from a cliff to achieve maximum horizontal distance, and another regarding the effect of wind on an airplane's range. Participants are exploring the mathematical relationships and equations relevant to these scenarios.

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  • Participants are attempting to break down the first question into components, considering both the motion above and below the cliff. There is mention of using kinematic equations and differentiation to find the optimal angle.
  • For the second question, some participants are exploring relative velocity concepts but express difficulty in reaching a solution.
  • One participant raises a concern about the dimensional correctness of an equation presented by another, prompting further scrutiny of the mathematical expressions involved.

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The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing insights and equations related to the first question, while others express challenges with the second question. There is no clear consensus on the solutions, and the exploration of different approaches continues.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the information they can share or the methods they can use. There are indications of confusion regarding the application of certain kinematic principles and the integration of various terms in the equations.

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Homework Statement



Q.1 A ball is thrown with speed v from the edge of acliff of height h. Assume that the ground below the cliff is horizontal. At what inclination angle should it be thrown so that it travels the maximum horizontal distance?

Q.2 An airplane has a speed of v and a range(out and home) of flight of Rin calm waether. Show that innorth blowing wind ofspeed w, it's range becomes (the eq. given below),in a direction whose true bearing is [tex]\theta[/tex].
Find the direction in which the range is maximum and the value of the maximum range.

Homework Equations



Q.1 2v2sin2[tex]\theta[/tex]/g

Q.2 the given eq:
R' = R(v2 - w2)/v sqrt( v2 - w2 sin2 [tex]\theta[/tex] )


The Attempt at a Solution



Q.1
I tried to divide it into two parts, the part above and the part below the cliff.
The Range for the part above the cliff is easy,which is 2v2sin2[tex]\theta[/tex]/g .
But for the part below it, it's really complicated, I tried to do it but finding the time of flight by solving a quadtratic equation, then multiplying the horizontal component of the velocity to obtain the range.
When I add up the two parts, I diffrentiate the range with respect to theta, which gave me a very complicated equation that I can't solve for any values of theta.

Q.2
I tried to slove it by using relative velocity but I am getiing nowhere near the answer. Is there any other way?
 
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I've worked through part one and you will get a complicated looking equation for [tex]\Theta[/tex]. I got:

(2(u[tex]\hat{}[/tex]2) +2u)*sin[tex]\hat{}[/tex]2([tex]\Theta[/tex]) + h*sin([tex]\Theta[/tex]) - 2u = 0

Where u is the initial velocity.

If you replace sin([tex]\Theta[/tex]) with x you can solve for x just like an ordinary quadratic. Then when you have your value for x, let's say you got x = 5, then you replace x with
sin([tex]\Theta[/tex]). So you have sin([tex]\Theta[/tex]) = 5. Then just solve for [tex]\Theta[/tex].
 
You need to use the kinematic equations to find the horizontal displacement in terms of the given quantities. Then maximize with respect to the angle of projection.

Kalvarin said:
I've worked through part one and you will get a complicated looking equation for [tex]\Theta[/tex]. I got:

(2(u[tex]\hat{}[/tex]2) +2u)*sin[tex]\hat{}[/tex]2([tex]\Theta[/tex]) + h*sin([tex]\Theta[/tex]) - 2u = 0

Where u is the initial velocity.

Sorry, Kalvarin, but the above equation is dimensionally incorrect. You can't add u2 with u and h together. Also, what happened to g?
 
Yep, Kalvarin is wrong, but thanks for trying to help.
I solved question 1, finally, but I still can't solve question 2.
 

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