What Are the Uncommon Coordinate Systems in Physics Beyond the Basics?

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The discussion centers around uncommon coordinate systems in physics, exploring their existence, applications, and whether there are standard references for them. Participants share various coordinate systems beyond the commonly known ones and discuss their relevance in different contexts, including theoretical and practical applications.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about uncommon coordinate systems beyond the standard Cartesian, Polar, Cylindrical, and Spherical systems.
  • Another participant asserts that the common systems are taught due to their symmetry properties relevant to the problems being addressed.
  • Skew coordinates are mentioned as an example, particularly in the context of General Relativity and the metric tensor.
  • Several participants reference a table of orthogonal coordinates available on Wikipedia, indicating it contains various systems.
  • Specific uncommon systems such as parabolic cylindrical, elliptic cylindrical, and oblate spherical coordinates are identified, with one participant noting their potential applications in physics.
  • Parabolic coordinates are highlighted for their utility in quantum mechanics, particularly in scattering problems and the Stark effect.
  • It is noted that many coordinate systems lack specific names and are instead described by their mathematical properties.
  • Moon and Spencer's "Field Theory Handbook" is cited as a resource containing a compendium of coordinate systems and their applications.
  • Elliptic coordinates are mentioned in the context of geodesy, while Rindler coordinates are brought up in relation to special relativity.
  • Milne coordinates are noted for their usefulness in expressing solutions in relativistic hydrodynamics.
  • The tangential and normal component system is discussed in the context of mechanical dynamics and curvilinear motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of views on the existence and utility of uncommon coordinate systems, with no consensus reached on a definitive list or standard references. Multiple competing perspectives on the relevance and application of these systems remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants emphasize the mathematical properties of coordinate systems rather than their names, suggesting that the choice of system may depend on the specific physical context or problem being addressed.

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I have come across Cartesian, Polar, Cylindrical & Spherical Coordinate Systems so far and was wondering if someone could tell me which are the uncommon systems used in physics which everyone says that they exist but no one explicitly mentions. Is there a "standard reference" or are they just passed down as word of mouth? Sorry if the question is a bit misguided because I have no idea about this topic.
 
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All of them are common each making use of symmetry of the system you are tackling. That's the reason why you learn them in your curriculum.
 
anuttarasammyak said:
All of them are common each making use of symmetry of the system you are tackling. That's the reason why you learn them in your curriculum.
I understand that. I am asking if you could name and explain some uncommon ones?
 
As a short example skew coordinates. In GR metric tensor ##g_{ij}## defines what coordinate system the system has.
 
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Parabolic coordinates are of some use in the Coulomb-scattering problem in quantum mechanics and for the bound state problem when treating the Stark effect. They are always a good choice if you have a spherically symmetric problem in a situation, where some direction is preferred by the physical situation. In the scattering problem that's the direction of the incoming-particle momentum; in the case of the Stark effect it's the direction of the external electric field.

These 3D orthogonal coordinates are the ones for which the 3D Laplace operator and thus the Helmholtzoperator separates. For a thorough treatment, see the great books by Morse and Feshbach, Methods of Theoretical Physics (2 vols.).
 
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Most coordinate systems have no name. They are described by their mathematical properties instead. These can be equations to transform from named systems to the unnamed system or the metric written in the new coordinates.
 
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Falgun said:
I have come across Cartesian, Polar, Cylindrical & Spherical Coordinate Systems so far and was wondering if someone could tell me which are the uncommon systems used in physics which everyone says that they exist but no one explicitly mentions. Is there a "standard reference" or are they just passed down as word of mouth? Sorry if the question is a bit misguided because I have no idea about this topic.

Moon and Spencer's "Field Theory Handbook" is a compendium of 40 coordinate systems, providing separation equations and solutions for the Laplace and Helmholtz equations in each.
 
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If you study geodesy using Heiskanen and Moritz, you will run into elliptic coordinates pretty extensively
 
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Andy Resnick said:
Moon and Spencer's "Field Theory Handbook" is a compendium of 40 coordinate systems, providing separation equations and solutions for the Laplace and Helmholtz equations in each.
There are many different coordinate systems to choose from. If the shape of the object is deliberately designed to correspond to these special coordinate systems in the engineering design, this may simplify the analysis and speed up the efficiency of the simulation calculation.
 
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The ##\mathrm{H}_2^+## molecular hamiltonian is separable in elliptical coordinates.
 
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How about Rindler coordinates in SR?
 
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In mechanical dynamics the 'tangential & normal' component system is often used since in curvilinear motion acceleration is thereby relatively simply represented.
 

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