What are the units for ΔxΔp in the uncertainty principle?

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The discussion revolves around the units of ΔxΔp in the context of the uncertainty principle, particularly focusing on the interpretation of Δx and Δp as either variances or standard deviations in relation to Gaussian wave packets.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that Δx has the unit of meters and Δp has the unit of kg·m/s, leading to the conclusion that the product ΔxΔp has the same unit as ħ.
  • Another participant points out that for a Gaussian wave packet, the standard deviations σx and σp should have units of meters and kg·m/s, respectively, but expresses confusion regarding the units when considering the variances.
  • A participant suggests removing the superscript 2 from the standard deviations to maintain unit consistency.
  • There is a clarification that the uncertainty principle refers to the product of standard deviations, not variances, which some participants find confusing due to differing notations in various texts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether Δx and Δp refer to variances or standard deviations, indicating that there is no consensus on the interpretation of the notation used in the uncertainty principle.

Contextual Notes

There is an unresolved issue regarding the definitions of Δx and Δp as either variances or standard deviations, which affects the understanding of their units in the context of the uncertainty principle.

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Hi all,
I am reading an article about uncertainty principle. If we consider a Gaussian wave packet which standard deviation of momentum ##\sigma_p##. The uncertainty principle states that the multiplication of variance of x and variance of p is larger or equal to half ##\hbar##

##\Delta x\Delta p \geq \dfrac{\hbar}{2}##

I think ##\Delta x## has the unit of meter, ##\Delta p## has the unit of kg.meter/second, so the multiplication of them give the same unit of ##\hbar##.

But if we have the Gaussian wave packet, the standard deviation of ##\sigma_x## and ##\sigma_p## should have the unit of meter and kg.meter/second. But reading the expression of variance for Gaussian given by standard deviation

##
\Delta x = \sigma_x^2, \Delta p = \sigma_p^2
##

So the unit for ##\Delta x \Delta p ## becomes kg*meter^4/second^2 ? I am confusing what mistakes I made here.
 
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Just take out the superscript 2 on the sigmas.
 
Thanks for the reply. Yes, if we want the consistency on the unit, we should remove that superscript. But for Gaussian, the variance is defined as square of standard deviation. That's why it is confusing me. Why we need to redefine it by removing the square?
 
KFC said:
The uncertainty principle states that the multiplication of variance of x and variance of p is larger or equal to half ##\hbar##
No, it' the product of the standard deviations which is that.

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Thanks. I think it is the notation confusing me. In the book I am reading, they use ##\Delta## but when I read other context, it uses ##\sigma##. If it refers to standard deviation in the expression of uncertainty principle, so ##\Delta x## mean the standard deviation of x not variance, correct? Thanks for pointing that out.
 
KFC said:
so Δx\Delta x mean the standard deviation of x not variance, correct?


Correct.
 

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