What are the units of Kp, (Gas phase equilibrium)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the units of the equilibrium constant Kp in the context of gas phase equilibrium. Participants explore the relationship between Kp and Kc, as well as the implications of dimensionality in equilibrium constants.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that Kp can have units such as mol/atm or atm, while others express uncertainty about these units.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that all equilibrium constants should be dimensionless, as they are based on reference concentrations or pressures.
  • A participant argues that Kp and Kc have no units, emphasizing that the units can vary depending on the reaction coefficients used.
  • It is noted that K is often expressed using activities, which can differ from concentrations or pressures, and that this can lead to complications in calculations involving K.
  • A question is raised about the conditions under which Kp equals Kc, indicating a further area of exploration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether Kp has units, with some asserting it does and others claiming it does not. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the dimensionality of Kp.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the definitions of activities and concentrations, as well as the implications of using units in thermodynamic calculations.

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I know the units of Kc are mol/liter. The units of Kp are either mol/atm or just atm. Not really sure. I get mles atm and liters in my answer when i solve. Pretty weird
 
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Actually Kp (and Kc) have no units.

Note, that you will get different units for different reactions, depending on the set of coefficients used. Try

2A ↔ B
A ↔ B

and

A ↔ 2B

and you will see what I mean.

That's when you try to express K using pressures or concentrations, but - what is often omitted in an approximate treatment used when teaching beginners - K is expressed using activities. As a first approximation activity is equal to the concentration (or pressure), but it can differ. We express it with

aA = γA[A]

where aA is activity of A, γA is its activity coefficient (with units chosen so that the activity becomes unitles) and [A] is the A concentration (but it could be pA, partial pressure of A, as well). For diluted solutions γ equals 1, but the higher the concentration, the more it can differ.

Also note that having units on K is a sure way of getting into problems. In thermodynamics we often need to calculate log of K (as in ΔG=RTln(K)) , good luck doing that when K is not unitles.

Edit: beaten by DrClaude.
 
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