What Caused Felix Baumgartner's Radical Spinning During His Stratospheric Jump?

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The discussion centers on the causes of Felix Baumgartner's radical spinning during his stratospheric jump, exploring the role of atmospheric drag and the dynamics of his jump. It includes theoretical considerations and technical explanations related to aerodynamics at high altitudes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the presence of aerodynamic drag at the altitude of Baumgartner's jump, suggesting it may not be significant.
  • Others argue that atmospheric drag does exist at high altitudes, though its effects diminish as altitude increases, with some noting it still plays a role up to about 300 km.
  • One participant suggests that Baumgartner could have minimized spinning by adopting a feet-first or controlled head-first position during the jump.
  • A reference to a blog post is made, which discusses the mathematical details of the instability leading to Baumgartner's spin.
  • Another participant compares the spinning to the dynamics of a spinning textbook, indicating that low air resistance contributes to the instability observed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of atmospheric drag at high altitudes, with no consensus reached on the primary cause of the spinning. Multiple competing explanations and models are presented.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the uncertainty regarding the exact effects of drag at various altitudes and the assumptions made about Baumgartner's jump technique.

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Felix Baumgartner ...what a trooper! Question - what caused the radical spinning upon his intial jump from the balloon? No aero drag at that altitude ?? or was there?
 
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There is atmospheric drag and the atmospheric drag is the dominating effect for satellites up to about ~300 km altitude. After that, the drag still has an effect but the effect is considerably less pronounced (and other effects become more important). Obviously the number is not exact though.
 
There is certainly drag at that altitude, but not a whole lot of it. About the only way he could have prevented that would be to jump feet first like a pencil dive or to very carefully go head first in a way that didn't require him to spin when he jumped. Since he did have to turn when he jumped, there just wasn't enough drag for him to stabilize himself until he got lower.
 
The Wolfram Blog's post on Baumgartner's fall discusses the instability which led to his spin in detail, towards the latter half of the article. You might be interested in reading that if you want a review of the mathematics behind the unstable rotations which took place.
 
It's essentially the same instability as spinning a textbook in the air around its three different axes. Of course, that applies for very low air resistance. Once you get into regions of high drag you are effectively putting a damper on the system so it is much easier to break out of.
 
Thank you for the great insight...and taking the time to reply..
rm
 

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