What Causes a Kick in Snooker?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon known as "kick" in snooker, which refers to the object ball lifting off the table and veering off its intended line. Participants explore various causes and theories related to this occurrence, including the effects of ball collisions, chalk residue, and the mechanics of the game.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that hitting the ball at a downward angle causes it to depress into the felt, which then pushes back and causes the ball to jump.
  • Others argue that the kick is related to the friction from the ball's sideways spin, similar to the hook in golf or bowling.
  • A participant notes that the cue ball is slightly larger than the colored balls, which may introduce a small downward vector in collisions.
  • Some express that kick seems to occur randomly and cannot be solely attributed to predictable physics, mentioning that players have observed it happening even with clean balls.
  • There is a discussion about the potential influence of chalk on the ball, with some asserting that kick can occur even after cleaning, while others contend that chalk from the cue tip can still transfer to the ball during play.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the causes of kick in snooker, with multiple competing views presented regarding its mechanics and contributing factors.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific conditions, such as the state of the balls (clean vs. chalked) and the angle of impact, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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There is some controversy about what causes the ball to jump and cause a kick, what is your opinion?
 
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There is? When you hit the ball at a downwards angle, it gets depressed into the felt, which pushes back because it's springy, causing the ball to jump. I've done that trick a thousand times. What do you mean kick? Giving it english? That's friction from it's sideways spin, no different than the hook of a golf or bowling bowl.
 
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A kick in England means the object ball lifts of the table and veers of line.
 
If I remember correctly (I usually play billiards, not snooker) the cue ball is slightly larger than the colored balls, so the resulting force of all collisions with the cue ball will include a small downwards vector.
 
Kick is something that seemingly happens at random (that comes from someone that never played, but has spent hundreds of hours watching snooker on Eurosport). So it can't be just a simple repeatable physics of the balls collision. I know players complain that kick can be an effect of a chalk piece left on the ball.
 
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Borek said:
Kick is something that seemingly happens at random (that comes from someone that never played, but has spent hundreds of hours watching snooker on Eurosport). So it can't be just a simple repeatable physics of the balls collision. I know players complain that kick can be an effect of a chalk piece left on the ball.

It can not be chalk on the ball as it happens when the ball has just been cleaned.
 
wolram said:
It can not be chalk on the ball as it happens when the ball has just been cleaned.

Not exactly - it may happen after the ball was cleaned, but it is not like these things are related. Even a clean ball can pick up chalk from the table.

Nothing unusual for players to ask the referee to clean the ball, and Polish commentators often say that is done to avoid the kick.
 
The chalk will transfer to a just cleaned white from a (heavily chalked) cue tip during the shot: although it is unlikely that this one mark will be at the point of contact with the object ball, it will inevitably happen from time to time.
 

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