Running on Ice: My High School Story

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Discussion Overview

This discussion revolves around the experiences and techniques of running on ice, particularly from a high school student's perspective. Participants explore the physics of balance, friction, and movement on icy surfaces, sharing personal anecdotes and insights into effective strategies for maintaining stability while running.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their personal experience of running on ice, noting that dragging their feet and keeping them close together helps prevent falls.
  • Another participant explains that to support their weight, a vertical force must be exerted on the ice, which requires a corresponding horizontal force that can be problematic if the ice cannot provide sufficient friction.
  • A later reply questions the necessity of dragging feet instead of running normally, suggesting that smoother forces may be beneficial to avoid breaking static friction.
  • Another participant shares their technique, emphasizing the importance of foot placement directly under the center of gravity and the impact of ice temperature on friction, noting that cold ice has a higher static friction coefficient than warm ice.
  • One participant mentions the use of ice traction gadgets, discussing their effectiveness under different conditions and their personal experience with falling on ice.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best techniques for running on ice, with some advocating for specific methods while others question their effectiveness. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal approach to maintain balance and prevent slipping.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various factors affecting running on ice, such as foot placement, stride length, and ice conditions, but do not reach a consensus on the best practices or underlying physics principles.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring practical techniques for running on ice, as well as those curious about the physics of movement and balance in slippery conditions.

Stephenk53
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I am currently in high school and about to graduate, any way in the past I often threw caution to the wind and ran on ice when I walked home from school. When I was in middle school it went as poorly as one would expect but for some reason I kept trying, in early high school I became extremely good at it and can sprint on ice without falling at all. I recently stopped since I usually do not walk home due to health issues.

Anyway I run on it by dragging my feet and keeping my feet relatively close together to prevent my feet from spreading thus causing me to fall. I am wondering why I need to drag my feet or I will fall and why even though I have poor balance can easily run on ice. By the way I haven't ice skated since elementary school
 
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Stephenk53 said:
Anyway I run on it by dragging my feet and keeping my feet relatively close together to prevent my feet from spreading thus causing me to fall. I am wondering why I need to drag my feet or I will fall and why even though I have poor balance can easily run on ice. By the way I haven't ice skated since elementary school
In order to support your weight, your feet need to exert a vertical force on the ice equal to your weight. if your leg is at an angle, in order to provide a vertical force it must also provide a horizontal force. The steeper the angle (further apart your legs), the larger that horizontal force needs to be. That's a problem if the ice can't hold that horizontal force via friction.
 
russ_watters said:
In order to support your weight, your feet need to exert a vertical force on the ice equal to your weight. if your leg is at an angle, in order to provide a vertical force it must also provide a horizontal force. The steeper the angle (further apart your legs), the larger that horizontal force needs to be. That's a problem if the ice can't hold that horizontal force via friction.
Alright, but why do I need to drag my feet rather than step and run normally
 
I don't think there's a physics reason for how you personally run on ice, because I'm not convinced that your method is definitely best. You are using short controlled movements because you perhaps can't react to large slip movements as well as short ones.
 
Stephenk53 said:
Alright, but why do I need to drag my feet rather than step and run normally
Probably just so the forces are smoother. If you pick up and put down a foot, that momentarily applies a larger force, which can break the static friction.
 
I regularly run on ice in the winter. There is a technique. Your foot must come down and make contact directly under your center of gravity, then you need to push with force low enough to not slip. If your foot skids when coming down, then it did not come down in the right place.

Cold ice (below zero deg F) has higher static friction coefficient than warm (temperature in the 20's) ice. Wet (melting) ice is very difficult to run on. Ice with less friction requires a shorter stride. Cold ice allows an almost normal stride for easy runs. I do not do speed work on ice.

I have, and only rarely use, ice traction gadgets for my running shoes. They work very well on warm ice, not so well on cold ice, and very poorly on bare pavement. It's been several years since I have fallen on ice, but I do rehearse how to fall without getting hurt.
 

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