What Causes Beta Decay and the Role of the Weak Nuclear Force?

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The discussion centers on the causes of beta decay and the role of the weak nuclear force in this process. Participants explore the mechanisms behind quark flavor changes, the nature of weak interactions, and the unpredictability of nuclear decay events, including potential connections to photon emissions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the specific mechanisms that lead to a quark emitting a boson and changing flavor, linking this to the weak nuclear force.
  • It is suggested that beta decay occurs without a specific trigger, facilitated by the weak nuclear interaction, which prevents the conservation of all quark flavor numbers.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the nature of beta decay, noting that a neutron decays into a proton, electron, and anti-electron neutrino through the weak interaction, involving a d-quark changing to a u-quark.
  • Questions arise about the role of virtual bosons in the decay process, particularly regarding the W-boson.
  • Participants discuss the randomness of beta decay and whether it can be predicted based on preceding photon emissions or other markers, with some asserting that such predictions are not possible.
  • It is noted that while beta decay is random for individual nuclei, probabilities can be calculated for decay events across a sample of many nuclei.
  • One participant mentions that many nuclei may transition to excited states after emitting beta or alpha particles, leading to gamma radiation during the decay process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the predictability of beta decay and the nature of nuclear decay processes. There is no consensus on whether specific markers can indicate imminent decay events, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of photon emissions in relation to beta decay.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the predictability of decay events depend on the definitions of randomness and probability, and the discussion acknowledges the complexity of nuclear interactions without resolving these nuances.

Joespires
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I am familiar with the proton:neutron ratio and stability but what about this instability actually causes a quark to emit a boson and change flavour?

And what does this have to do with the weak nuclear force?

Thanks
 
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It is a possible reaction, so it happens at some point. There is no specific "trigger" necessary.
The weak nuclear interaction allows this decay, without it beta decay would be impossible as all quark flavor numbers would be conserved.
 
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Also the usual ##\beta## decay doesn't emit a boson, but a neutron decays via the weak interaction into a proton, an electron and anti-electron neutrino (on the quark level a d-quark decays to a u-quark, an electron and an anti-electron neutrino).
 
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Ok, thank you @mfb. In what way does it allow it? By the creation of a virtual boson to transfer the mass and charge?
@vanhees71 but it is carried by a virtual boson?
 
That's true, it's a W-boson.
 
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Beta decay as well as all the other kinds of spontaneous particle emission the unstable nuclei emit are often spoken about as 'random' events. Is there a particular nuclear decay that is also accompanied/preceded by photon emission? Is it possible to predict a beta decay from a preceding pattern of photon/particle emissions? Like trying to predict an earthquake, are there 'markers' for imminent beta or alpha decay? Such an event might allow understanding of the intranuclear changes leading to beta decay.

I too have always been curious about nuclear decay that preserves the tendency for neutron-proton equivalence along with a slight bias of excess neutrons over protons but that's off topic.
 
bwana said:
Is there a particular nuclear decay that is also accompanied/preceded by photon emission?
You can have a photon emission, leading to a different excitation of the nucleus that decays via beta decay later - but that point in time is random again. You cannot predict it.
bwana said:
Like trying to predict an earthquake, are there 'markers' for imminent beta or alpha decay?
No.
bwana said:
Such an event might allow understanding of the intranuclear changes leading to beta decay.
They are understood very well.
 
If I recall well, a LOT of nuclei after releasing beta or alpha particles (so change to different nuclei) do so by going to an excited state of that nuclei and so you get the additional radiation of gamma (by the transition from the new nucleus's excited to its ground state).

bwana said:
Is it possible to predict a beta decay from a preceding pattern of photon/particle emissions?

You cannot predict a single beta decay...you can however get a probability for it to happen in your sample of many nuclei. That's why I'd call it random. An earthquake is not a random event (at least not if you try to predict it by probably -no expert on that- checking the vibrations of the ground->the motion of the tectonic plates -> the source of the earthquake).
 
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Remember, What is not forbidden is allowed.
 

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