What causes the size of a cavity to change when a metal plate is heated?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the behavior of a circular cavity in a metal plate when the plate is uniformly heated. Participants explore the implications of thermal expansion on the dimensions of both the plate and the cavity, examining intuitive versus textbook explanations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the conventional understanding that the size of the cavity increases with the plate, suggesting instead that the cavity should decrease in size as the plate expands.
  • Another participant argues that the cavity indeed gets larger, referencing a standard demonstration involving a ball and ring to illustrate thermal expansion.
  • A third participant proposes a thought experiment involving a chalk circle on the plate, questioning whether the chalk circle and the resulting hole expand or contract upon heating.
  • One participant explains that the expansion of the metal around the hole leads to an increase in the size of the cavity, using an analogy of metal molecules expanding outward.
  • A later reply expresses gratitude for the clarification provided in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the cavity increases or decreases in size when the plate is heated. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on various analogies and thought experiments, but there are no settled assumptions or definitions regarding the behavior of the cavity during thermal expansion.

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There's a metal plate with a circular hole/cavity in it. Consider its width negligible. Now the plate is uniformly heated. Textbook says that size of hole/cavity increases along with the dimensions of the plate. But my intuition says dimensions of cavity should increase and size of hole/cavity should decrease. Its just like the "expanding" metal plate is "pushing" the metal inwards the cavity/hole making it smaller. Need Explanation to this.
 
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I think you have to say the hole gets bigger. There is a standard school demonstration of expansion called a 'ball and ring'. You heat up the ball and, not surprisingly, it does not fit through the ring.
Now you heat up the ring and the ball goes through.
Metal tyres for cartwheels and metal rims for railway wheels are heated to make them expand to fit over the wheel. When they are cooled they tighten onto the wheel.
 
Imagine a circular metal plate on which you have drawn a chalk circle about half way between the centre and the rim.
Heat the plate. Does the chalk circle expand or contract?
Now cut out a hole in the plate marked out by the chalk but with the chalk line just visible.
Heat the plate. Does the chalk circle expand? Does the hole?
 
The metal on the edge of the hole expands. This causes the ring to expand.
Think of it like this. You have a bunch of metal molecules. Think of them like balls. These balls are placed in a ring and then super glued together. As the balls expand they have to move outwards. Away from the center because it's the only way they can expand and stay connected. Now on a disk with a hole in the center. If the Disk is large enough the circumferal expansion will be greater than the radial expansion. This can lead to the warping of the disk introducing a wave pattern into the plane of the disk. This is what happens in brake rotors when they get warped.
 
Thank you, that's the explanation I needed.
 

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