What coefficents make these L.I. Vectors 0? I row reduced, and

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The discussion revolves around determining the linear independence of vectors A, B, C, and D. The original poster attempts to find coefficients that satisfy the equation A + B + C + D = 0, given their observations from row reduction.

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  • Participants explore the implications of linear independence and the conditions under which coefficients can be determined. Questions arise about whether other choices of coefficients might be valid and how to express the relationship among the vectors mathematically.

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Some participants have provided guidance on expressing the relationship among the vectors in detail, suggesting that there are infinite solutions based on the equations derived from the linear combination. The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored.

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There is mention of specific coefficients being required if the vectors are linearly independent, as well as the distinction between trivial and non-trivial relations. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the task and the implications of their findings.

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Hello everyone, its me.
I had a question again:
I was suppose to determine if these vectors, A, B, and C, and D Linear independent, Well A, B, C are linear independent, but D is not, I got

D =
3/5
-4/5
-1/5
0

A =
1
0
0
0

B =
0
1
0
0

C =
0
0
1
0

I row reduced and got:
1 0 0
0 1 0
0 0 1
If they are linearly dependent, determine a non-trivial linear relation - (a non-trivial relation is three numbers which are not all three zero.) Otherwise, if the vectors are linearly independent, enter 0's for the coefficients, since that relationship always holds.
A + B + C + D = 0.

So they want me to find Coefficents that make A + B +C +D= 0, and I'm confused on how I'm suppose to do that! Thanks!
 
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You found them to be linearly independent, they tell you what to pick as coefficients:

"...if the vectors are linearly independent, enter 0's for the coefficients, since that relationship always holds."

Will any other choice of coefficients work? (Remember the definition of linear independence?)
 
Shmoe, sorry u must have gotten my orginal post, after posting it i realized that hah, but i came across a simllair problem, in which A, B, and C, are L.I. But D isn't. And its throwing me off! thanks!
 
Write it out in detail:
[tex]\alpha A+ \beta B+ \gamma C+ \delta D= 0[/tex]
is
[tex](\alpha, 0, 0, 0)+ (0, \beta, 0, 0)+ (0, 0,\gamma, 0)+ (\frac{3}{5}\delta, -\frac{4}{5}\delta,-\frac{1}{5}\delta, 0)[/tex]
[tex]= (\alpha+ \frac{3}{5}\delta,\beta-\frac{4}{5}\delta,\gamma-\frac{1}{5}\delta, 0)= (0,0,0,0)[/tex]
So we must have
[tex]\alpha+ \frac{3}{5}\delta= 0[/tex]
[tex]\beta-\frac{4}{5}\delta= 0[/tex]
[tex]\gamma-\frac{1}{5}\delta= 0[/tex]
That gives 3 equations for the 4 unknown numbers [itex]\alpha, \beta, \gamma, \delta[/itex]. Of course, there are an infinite number of solutions. I suggest taking [itex]\delta[/itex] equal to some easy (non-zero) number and solving for the others.
 
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