What Comes After Single Variable Calculus

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The discussion revolves around the progression of mathematics courses following single variable calculus, particularly focusing on the relationship between multivariable calculus, advanced calculus, and other mathematical subjects relevant to physics. Participants explore various pathways and recommendations for further study.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that multivariable calculus typically follows single variable calculus, while advanced calculus may refer to different topics depending on context.
  • There is a discussion about whether linear algebra should be learned before multivariable calculus, with some arguing it is essential for understanding concepts like the total derivative.
  • Others contend that it is possible to take multivariable calculus without prior knowledge of linear algebra, as it is often taught concurrently.
  • Participants express differing opinions on the necessity of advanced calculus for physics, with some stating it is ambiguous and varies by institution.
  • There are suggestions for a sequence of courses including multivariable calculus, linear algebra, and ordinary differential equations, with some advocating for simultaneous study of linear algebra and differential equations.
  • Textbook recommendations are made, with varying preferences for authors and approaches, highlighting the subjective nature of learning materials.
  • Some participants caution against rushing into advanced topics like manifolds before mastering foundational subjects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity of advanced calculus or the optimal order of courses. Multiple competing views on the importance of linear algebra and the sequence of mathematical topics remain evident throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions of advanced calculus and its relevance to physics, indicating that the term may encompass a range of topics from rigorous calculus to more advanced subjects like manifolds.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students transitioning from single variable calculus to more advanced mathematics, particularly those interested in physics or engineering, as well as educators seeking insights into common pathways and textbook recommendations.

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I am currently finishing up single variable calculus, what comes next? Is multi-variable calculus the same as advanced calculus?
 
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Stratosphere said:
I am currently finishing up single variable calculus, what comes next? Is multi-variable calculus the same as advanced calculus?

Next...as in with regard to calculus courses? Yes, usually (almost always) multivariable calculus comes next. Advanced calculus can refer to vector calculus, multivariable or analysis, it just depends on the context and personally I think the term "Advanced Calculus" is often misused. Also, since you posted this in the science book section, do you need ideas for what to read next? If so, check out the thread directly below yours called "Multivariable Calculus" or something to that effect.
 
It depends on what you mean by "single variable calculus" (at what level: computational or theoretical) and "to come next" (with regards to calculus courses, or math in general, or only to apply it to physics,...). After singe variable calculus at a computational level, you can also go to single variable analysis.
 
Stratosphere said:
I am currently finishing up single variable calculus, what comes next? Is multi-variable calculus the same as advanced calculus?
Single Variable Calculus--->Multivariate calculus------> Ordinary Differential Equations/Linear Algebra.
(I put a slash mark between linear algebra and ODE because I suggest you learn them at the same time.)


After that there are MANY different paths to take.
 
I would definitely suggest learning linear algebra before multivariable calculus. I don't think you can appreciate the concept of total derivative without knowing what a linear map is.
 
Well first sorry for the late post I went away for a little while. So I want to do theoretical physic/astrophysics, so what type of math do I need to under stand these books, and in what order do I learn them,

and https://www.amazon.com/dp/0805387323/?tag=pfamazon01-20.

I would also what to learn any other maths that I would learn as an undergrad for physics.

I am also looking for textbook recommendations.
 
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Personally, I don't like any of Griffiths' books. However, most members in this forum praise them so I guess it depends on the person. You should have a MASTERY of single and multivariate calculus before you study any real physics.

As far as the General Relativity, that is a graduate textbook. I recommend you get some background knowledge on Tensor Analysis, Analysis on Manifolds, Abstract Algebra, and Lie algebra before you start looking at GR quantitatively.

Edit: I know, it is a lot; I am still learning the maths listed above.
 
Landau said:
I would definitely suggest learning linear algebra before multivariable calculus. I don't think you can appreciate the concept of total derivative without knowing what a linear map is.

yes you can, you don't really need to go into that concept either; in most schools only calc 2 is necessary to take multivariable at least in my school they teach you linear algebra in the context of multivariable calc anyway

to the OP, it usually goes single variable, multivariable, linear algebra, differential equations, partial differential equations, etc; usually advanced calculus would come after multivariable
 
clope023 said:
yes you can, you don't really need to go into that concept either; in most schools only calc 2 is necessary to take multivariable at least in my school they teach you linear algebra in the context of multivariable calc anyway

to the OP, it usually goes single variable, multivariable, linear algebra, differential equations, partial differential equations, etc; usually advanced calculus would come after multivariable

So since you didn't place advanced calculus in your main list there does that mean I won't need it for physics? What good textbooks are there for multivariable calculus?
 
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Stratosphere said:
I would also what to learn any other maths that I would learn as an undergrad for physics.

I am also looking for textbook recommendations.

You're looking for a Mathematical Methods book. There's tons of them out there, choose one. I have Mary Boas' Math Methods and I love it. I also have one by Riley, Hobson and Bence - this one not so much. I think it's a matter of which author works for you. Check your library to see some books on Math Methods.
 
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Yes but no one answered my question about advanced calculus. Do I need it or not?
 
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Stratosphere said:
Yes but no one answered my question about advanced calculus. Do I need it or not?

"Advanced Calculus," is an ambiguous term that varies with universities. Advanced Calculus could mean anything from rigorous calculus books (e.g. Apostol) to Manifolds or more.
 
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Pinu7 said:
"Advanced Calculus," is an ambiguous term that varies with universities. Advanced Calculus could mean anything from rigorous calculus books (e.g. Apostol) to Manifolds or more.

I will need Manifolds right?
 
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You'll need everything...or not.

You just finished single variable calculus, manifolds is way ahead. No need to worry about it yet.
 
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Stratosphere said:
I will need Manifolds right?

Don't get ahead of yourself.
You should do:
Multivariate calculus and then
Ordinary D.Es/Linear Algebra(at the same time)


before you even TOUCH manifolds.
 
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I'd agree with the above.

Typically something like: Partial Differentiation, Vector Integrals (i.e. Line integrals, surface integrals), del operator - grad, div and curl, certainly ordinary differential equations etc...

For the above beyond a typical undergrad math methods book (https://www.amazon.com/dp/0120598760/?tag=pfamazon01-20. Would be a good idea to have done some partial differentiation and be comfortable with vectors.


After covering those you can usually start to expand into some of the areas of Math/Physics that build of those concepts including: Fourier Analysis, Partial Differential Equations (Pretty huge subject by itself), Complex Analysis, Integral equations (along the lines of integral transforms), Vector Spaces (building on linear algebra etc).
 
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That's a great, rigorous book, but I am pretty sure it is too advanced. It uses (covers) linear algebra and advanced concepts from single variable calculus in the first chapter.

I think it's better to look at LithiumHelios' suggestions (Div, Grad,.. or Vector Calculus).
 
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How bout this book?
 
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Stewart is the safe way of learning calculus, you should buy it because it is has wonderful problem sets for practice. Great for learning partial differentiation and multiple integrals.

However, when I studied more advanced mathematical texts in which a rigorous knowledge of vector calculus would make things easier which I didn't learn from Stewart.

For vector calculus, you should consider:

Calculus Vol. 2- Apostol
or(if you can get your hands on it)
Vector Calculus-Mardson
 

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