What could cause these differences in torque, power and BSFC?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the differences observed in torque, power, and brake specific fuel consumption (BSFC) curves of a JCB 4.4l twin turbo diesel engine during university testing compared to manufacturer specifications. Participants explore potential causes for these discrepancies, considering various factors related to engine performance and testing conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the engine used in testing may be a development version, suggesting that changes from the production model could account for differences in torque and BSFC.
  • Another participant proposes that environmental factors such as cold start, fuel temperature, air temperature, and pressure could influence the results.
  • There is a suggestion that the configuration of the engine setup (engine+gearbox in neutral vs. bare engine) might affect the measurements.
  • A participant mentions that the torque spike in the mid-rev range could indicate issues related to cold start, where incomplete combustion might initially lower torque before it rises again.
  • One participant questions whether resonance in the intake or exhaust systems could create a torque curve with a peak at a specific tuning point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses regarding the causes of the observed differences, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a consensus on the exact reasons.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge potential limitations such as calibration errors in the equipment and the relatively unrun condition of the test engine, which may affect torque and BSFC measurements.

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Ive been doing some engine testing at university and have created some torque, power ad BSFC curves. The engine used is a JCB 4.4l twin turbo diesel engine. I then compared to my results to the manufacturers graphs and got these. I need some ideas on what could cause the difference in torque, BSFC? What could cause the peak torque to be higher and the torque band narrower and the BSFC to be higher? I believe that the engine used in the uni test cell is a development version of the dieselmax and the one in the manufacturer specifications was the production model what could they have changed to cause the difference. Also the engine in the test cell is relatively green (not run in very much) which would surely mean the torque and BSFC would be lower which is contrary to the results. Maybe there is some calibration errors in the equipment? Some ideas that i could look into would be great if you have any. Thanks :)

Heres the graphs
http://imgur.com/a/yw1uJ
 
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Interesting graphs.
Probable possible causes that could happen:
-Cold start?
-Fuel temperature? Air temperature, pressure?
-Flywheel (is it the same?)
-What overall setup are you using? Engine+gearbox in neutral or bare engine?
 
Lok said:
Interesting graphs.
Probable possible causes that could happen:
-Cold start?
No expert.
The torque spike in the mid-rev range means it could be cold start(also the fact that your bsfc is higher suggests cold start).So,the engine pumps in more fuel than air at the lower rev-range(more smoke hence).During cold start,the torque curve initially drops at the lower rev-range because of incomplete combustion(yellow flame). Once the engine hits a certain rev range,the torque curve should climb up back to the full load curve.But,your experimental graph is weird.It goes above the full load curve. Maybe your dyno has a defect??
 
Would resonance in the intake/exhaust give that type of torque curve with a peak at which it is tuned?
No expert either.
 

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