What Determines C-F Bond Length Order?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the order of C-F bond lengths in various molecular configurations. Participants explore factors influencing bond lengths, including repulsions and interactions between atoms, in the context of a homework problem.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests considering lone pair-bond pair repulsions, size differences between H and F, F-F interactions, and C-H/C-F bond interactions when measuring bond lengths.
  • Another participant elaborates on the repulsion between C-F bonds, stating that they will elongate to minimize repulsion from each other and lone pairs.
  • A later reply posits that CF3 may have the maximum C-F bond length due to increased repulsion compared to other configurations.
  • One participant advises checking factual data online to validate theories presented in the discussion.
  • Another participant expresses a belief that the correct answer to the bond length order is option B, which contradicts their initial expectations.
  • One participant acknowledges the need to research further information on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct order of C-F bond lengths, with some supporting the reasoning behind bond length variations while others challenge or seek clarification on these ideas. No consensus is reached on the correct answer.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various factors influencing bond lengths but do not provide definitive conclusions or data to support their claims. The discussion remains exploratory with unresolved assumptions regarding the interactions at play.

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Homework Statement


Choose correct order of C-F bond length
A)C-HF2<C-H2F<C-F3
B)C-F3<C-HF2<C-H2F
C)C-F3<C-H2F<C-HF3
D)C-HF2<C-F3<C-H2F

The Attempt at a Solution



What factors should I look for while measuring bond lengths?
 
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You can take Lone Pair-Bond pair repulsions, Interaction of H and F (due to their size difference), F F interactions, and probably C-H C-F Bond interaction.
 
AGNuke said:
You can take Lone Pair-Bond pair repulsions, Interaction of H and F (due to their size difference), F F interactions, and probably C-H C-F Bond interaction.

Can you please show through an example?
 
Two C-F bonds will repel each other, thus they will try to maximize their angle, but their repulsion with lone pair is even greater, hence they will be forced to elongate themselves in order to face minimal repulsion from each other and the lone pair.

Try to work on this.
 
AGNuke said:
Two C-F bonds will repel each other, thus they will try to maximize their angle, but their repulsion with lone pair is even greater, hence they will be forced to elongate themselves in order to face minimal repulsion from each other and the lone pair.

Try to work on this.

If I follow through this reasoning, then CF3 will have maximum C-F bond length because it suffers more repulsion as compared to others.
 
Might be. But you should check around the internet for factual data before putting your vote in my "theory".

See, I am assuming that you are preparing for college entrance exam (JEE).
 
AGNuke said:
Might be. But you should check around the internet for factual data before putting your vote in my "theory".

See, I am assuming that you are preparing for college entrance exam (JEE).

Yes. I'm preparing for JEE and they won't ask questions where factual data is required. But what I wanted to say is that the correct answer is B) which is just the reverse of what I expected.
 
Well, what can I say, I'd need to dig up some lost info on this one.
 

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