What Determines the Changeover from Liquid to Solid or Steam in Water?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phase transitions of water, specifically the changeover from liquid to solid (ice) and from liquid to gas (steam). Participants explore the conditions under which these transitions occur, including temperature, energy requirements, and the role of equilibrium in these processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that when water is in a freezer, the presence of both ice and liquid indicates that the liquid may not have reached freezing temperature, or that the transition from liquid to solid requires time even at freezing temperatures.
  • One participant notes that small bubbles forming in a pot of water may indicate boiling, but clarifies that these bubbles could also be gases escaping from the water rather than water vapor.
  • Another participant raises the concept of latent heat, implying that energy is required for the transition from water to ice, which may explain why some liquid remains even below freezing temperatures.
  • It is mentioned that the system may not have reached equilibrium, which could affect the observed states of water during phase changes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions necessary for phase transitions, particularly regarding the definitions of boiling and freezing, and whether the presence of bubbles indicates boiling. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference concepts such as latent heat and equilibrium, but do not fully elaborate on the implications or specific definitions, leaving some assumptions and dependencies unaddressed.

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1. When a cup of water is in a freezer, for a while, some of it's ice and some of it's liquid.

Does that mean the liquid part has not hit freezing temperature yet or does the changeover from liquid to solid take a while, even at freezing temperature?

2. When a pot of water gets hot enough, small bubbles form.

Is that considered boiling ?

3. When a pot of water is boiling vigorously, some of it is steam and some of it is water.

Does that mean the water that is still liquid has not hit boiling temperature yet or does the change over from liquid to steam take a while, even at boiling temperature?
 
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any small bubble is vapor so its probably boiled. and the transition from water to ice does take a certain amount of energy, so it is likely that the water is below freezing but hasn't solidified yet.

EDIT: when I say that it has probably boiled I am talking about the specific bubble not the whole pot.
 
neginf said:
1. When a cup of water is in a freezer, for a while, some of it's ice and some of it's liquid.

Does that mean the liquid part has not hit freezing temperature yet or does the changeover from liquid to solid take a while, even at freezing temperature?

Do you know what a latent heat is?
 
neginf said:
2. When a pot of water gets hot enough, small bubbles form.

Is that considered boiling ?

Not necessarily. The solubility of gasses in water decreases as temperature increases. Therefore, the small bubbles could actually be gasses (e.g. nitrogen, oxygen) coming out of solution rather than water vapor.

For the rest of the questions, you have to consider that your system may not have had enough time to reach equilibrium.
 

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