What determines the location of welts?

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The discussion centers around the factors that determine the location of welts or hives, particularly in the context of allergic reactions. Participants explore the mechanisms behind the formation of welts, the role of mast cells, and potential connections to autoimmune disorders and metabolic diseases.

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  • One participant suggests that the location of welts may be somewhat random but also influenced by the clustering effect of mast cells near blood vessels and skin appendages.
  • Another participant notes that certain skin areas may be hyper-sensitive to stressors, linking this to personal experiences with eczema.
  • A different viewpoint introduces the idea that metabolic diseases and mitochondrial dysfunction could be underlying factors contributing to autoimmune responses, which may affect the occurrence of welts.
  • Links to external research articles are provided to support various claims about the mechanisms of hives and the role of mast cells.

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Participants express a range of ideas regarding the causes and mechanisms behind the location of welts, with no clear consensus reached. Some agree on the role of mast cells, while others introduce alternative explanations related to autoimmune disorders and metabolic issues.

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Limitations include the potential randomness of welt formation, the dependence on individual skin sensitivity, and the complexity of metabolic and autoimmune interactions that remain unresolved in the discussion.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring allergic reactions, autoimmune disorders, and the biological mechanisms behind skin conditions.

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I believe I have a general understanding why hives/welts occur as the result of a allergic reaction. However, I was wondering if it is know what determines the location of the individual welts?
When the reaction is due to the physical contact is is pretty obvious; but if it a reaction due to say food allergy less so.

I realize that it is to some extent probably random; but unless the "generation" of a welt somehow makes other welts less likely that still doesn't explain why you typically only get a few of them; and not hives all over your body.

Is there something special going on with the skin at the locations where welts are most likely to occur?
 
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If I got what you mean - like a strawberry induced rash - these are called urticaria.

https://acaai.org/allergies/allergic-conditions/skin-allergy/

The location is a response of mast cells in surficial blood flow to an allergen
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6526977/

The location of an outbreak is somewhat random, but has a greater chance of repeating near the original outbreak. This causes a "cluster" effect sort of.

Location:
Mast cells are found throughout the body in loose connective tissue. Some are randomly dispersed in the tissue. They tend to concentrate near blood vessels, where the cell is more elongated. In the skin, concentrates can also be found near follicles, sebaceous glands, and sweat glands
--- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK499904/
 
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Yes, that is what I meant.

That is very interesting, I had no idea that was the mechanism!

Also, thanks for the great link!
 
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I suspect they're related to auto-immune disorders.

I have patches of eczema in particular places on my body - one knuckle, and now (frustratingly) the part of my nose which I am just now learning seems to be called the glabula or procerus.

So something in the flesh of those particular places is hyper-sensitive to stressors.
 
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Um, how about what some researchers think:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7184931/
There is a considerable unmet demand for safe and efficacious medications in the realm of autoimmune and inflammatory diseases. The fate of the immune cells is precisely governed by control of various metabolic processes such as mitochondrial oxidative phosphorylation, glycolysis, fatty acid synthesis, beta-oxidation, amino acid metabolism, and several others including the pentose phosphate pathway, which is a unique source of metabolites for cell proliferation and maintenance of a reducing environment.

What this says is metabolic disease is a likely primary precursor to autoimmune disease. And the precursor to this, mitochondrial dysfunction, is a highly probable ultimate "starting point". Oxidative stress from unhandled ROS (reactive oxygen species) from glycolysis is the biochemical explanation. It generates inflammation which "trashes" mitochondria.

Metabolic Disease is, in a very big way, environmental. It is also called metabolic syndrome.
For some patients there can also be an additional genetic causes.
This link is for non-biologists:
https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/metabolic-syndrome
A simple 'do I have metabolic disease test":

Do a waist circumference (C),
then do the hips (H).

If ##C>H## then the answer is really very likely to be 'yes'.

Please consider this a better explanation than just guessing.... it is an important concept in public health. BTW.
 
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