What Determines the Mass Ratio in a Binary Star System?

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The discussion revolves around determining the mass ratio in a binary star system based on their circular motion and accelerations. The original poster presents a problem involving two stars with radii r1 and r2, seeking to understand how to derive the mass ratio from their angular velocities and accelerations.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the masses and their respective accelerations, questioning how to eliminate velocity from the equations. There is also inquiry into the nature of the rotation point of the stars and the implications of the center of mass in the context of the problem.

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Some participants have offered insights into the relationship between the masses and the radii, while others express uncertainty about the completeness of the information provided in the problem. Multiple interpretations of the system's dynamics are being explored, particularly regarding the center of mass and the conditions necessary to derive the mass ratio.

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Participants note that the problem is derived from a specific textbook, which may limit the information available for solving it. There is a suggestion that the question may not provide enough context to fully understand the system's dynamics.

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1. The two components of a double star are observed to move in circles of radii r_1 and r_2. What is the ratio of their masses? (Hint: Write down their accelerations in terms of the angular velocity of rotation, w)

The answer is m1/m2 = r2/r1.

How does one cancel the velocity from the problem to get this result?

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For an isolated two body system

m1.a1=-m2.a2
where m are the body masses and a are the accelerations

w=v/r
angular velocity equals velocity divided by radius

a=dw/dt
angular acceleration

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m1.dw1/dt = m2.dw2/dt

therefore m1.w1=-m2.w2

m1/m2 = -w2/w1

m1/m2 = -(v2/r2)/(v1/r1)

m1/m2 = -v2r1/v1r2
 
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Do the stars rotate about any which point or about a specific point? What are this point's properties?
 
Unfortunately all information is contained in the question. This question is taken directly from chapter 1 problem 2 of Classical Mechanics by Kibble and Berkshire. I'm not sure if this is a good book yet or not. From your reply it seems the question does not contain enough information to find the solution given. Can one infer the conditions of the system from the result given (m1/m2 = r2/r1)?
 
I am not familiar with the textbook, but it does not matter. Does "center of mass" ring a bell?
 
I know this is an old post but for anyone looking up this problem, here's how I got to that answer:

Using Newtons law for 2 isolated bodies

m1a1 = -m2a2

The bodies are rotating ( here i guessed at the same velocity).
The motion is rotational so you can use tangential acceleration

aT = w2r and substitute this into above to get

m1 w2r1 = -m2w2r2

cancelling out w2 on both sides, move m's to left and r's to right to get

m1/m2 = -r2/r1
 
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