What do we know about Holons and Spinons?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the concepts of holons and spinons, which are proposed to be related to the electron. Participants explore their definitions, roles, and acceptance within the field of physics, touching on the nature of quasiparticles versus fundamental particles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that holons (also referred to as chargons) carry the charge of the electron, while spinons are responsible for the electron's spin.
  • Others argue that holons and spinons are quasiparticles, distinct from fundamental particles, and that the electron is still considered a fundamental particle that cannot be divided.
  • A participant emphasizes that holons and spinons arise in many-body systems and do not exist in non-interacting electron systems, comparing them to phonons.
  • There is a question about how the existence of holon and spinon quasiparticles is verified, indicating uncertainty about their empirical support.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of holons and spinons, with no consensus on their definitions or implications. Some view them as fundamental components of the electron, while others clarify their status as quasiparticles within many-body physics.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in understanding the conditions under which holons and spinons are defined, particularly regarding their existence in different physical systems and the distinction between quasiparticles and fundamental particles.

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Hi;

What do we know about the holon and the spinon (the 2 particles that make up an electron)? And have these been accepted in physics?

Thanks
 
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So I've heard that the holon is also called the chargon, which carries the charge of the electron. The spinon is responsible for the spin of the electron, then?
 
FeDeX_LaTeX said:
Hi;

What do we know about the holon and the spinon (the 2 particles that make up an electron)? And have these been accepted in physics?

Thanks

Im no expert on the matter, but I think you might be misinterpreting what a holon and spinon actually are. According to Wikipedia they are quasiparticles. Quasiparticles and particles are not the same thing. The electron is still thought to be a fundamental particle (cannot be divided). Quasiparticles are a way of understanding the behavior of the electron.
 
FeDeX_LaTeX said:
Hi;

What do we know about the holon and the spinon (the 2 particles that make up an electron)? And have these been accepted in physics?

Thanks

You definitely have misinterpreted what these are.

Note that if I have bare, non-interacting electrons, the concept of "holons" and "spins" don't exist, the same way the concept of "phonon" does not exist in a non-interacting system. These are many-body excitations, a collective effect. Their existence are verifiable. But they are not used in the way that you are thinking of.

Zz.
 
I think I get it, but I sort of don't at the same time. Are you saying it is like stating that a wave can be split up into two particles that carry amplitude and frequency?

So how do we know the holon and spinon quasiparticles exist?
 
Sorry for the bump but I've been researching this for days and I can't find the answer...
 

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