Is energy inversely proportional to mass?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between energy and mass, particularly in the context of different equations used in physics. Participants explore the implications of the equations for energy in semiconductors and classical kinetic energy, questioning whether energy is inversely proportional to mass or directly proportional, and under what conditions each statement holds true.

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  • One participant notes that the equation for energy in a semiconductor, $$E=\frac{\hbar^2 k^2}{2m^*}$$, suggests energy is inversely proportional to mass, while the classical kinetic energy equation, $$E=\frac{1}{2}mv^2$$, implies energy is proportional to mass.
  • Another participant clarifies that if two particles of different mass move at the same velocity, the more massive particle has more kinetic energy, but if they have the same momentum, the lighter particle has more kinetic energy.
  • A different participant argues that the apparent contradiction can be resolved by considering the relationship between momentum and mass, suggesting that energy can be proportional or inversely proportional to mass depending on the conditions set (e.g., constant momentum).
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of what is being held constant in the equations, indicating that the kinetic energy will differ based on whether momentum is constant or velocity is constant.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between energy and mass, with no consensus reached. Some argue that energy can be both proportional and inversely proportional to mass depending on the context, while others emphasize the need to clarify the conditions under which each relationship holds.

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The discussion highlights the importance of defining conditions such as constant momentum or constant velocity when analyzing the relationship between energy and mass. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the specific scenarios being considered.

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In some equations, it seems that energy is proportional to mass, and in others, it seems like energy is inversely proportional to mass. Why?
Hello. I'm a graduate student in electrical engineering, and I'm taking a class in semiconductor physics. My professor has used this equation for the energy of an electron in a semiconductor:
$$E=\frac{\hbar^2 k^2}{2m^*}$$
This seems to imply that energy is inversely proportional to mass, i.e., a heavier particle has less energy. However, we all know the following equation for kinetic energy from high school physics:
$$E=\frac{1}{2}mv^2$$
That equation actually indicates the opposite: energy is proportional to mass, and a heavier particle has more energy. Moreover, it seems like these two equations are derived from each other, using ##p=mv## and ##p=\hbar k##.
$$E=\frac{1}{2}mv^2=\frac{mv^2}{2}=\frac{m^2v^2}{2m}=\frac{p^2}{2m}=\frac{\hbar^2 k^2}{2m}$$
This is somewhat confusing, that these two equations are derived from each other, and yet they seem to be saying opposite things. So which one is true? Do heavier particles have more energy, or less energy? Or are both statements true, in different situations?
 
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That depends, if two particles that have different mass move at the same velocity, the more massive will have more kinetic energy. But if instead of moving at the same velocity, both particles have the same momentum (i.e, the most massive moves slower) then is the lightest particle who will have more kinetical energy.
 
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Hello nav_ece, ##\quad## :welcome: ##\quad## !
nav_ece said:
they seem to be saying opposite things
but they don't: with ##\ p\propto m\ ## as you already indicate, order is restored and ##\ E\propto m\ ##.

And even in a much broader sense: the famous EInstein ## \ E = mc^2 ## ! But that's for later ...
 
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Summary: In some equations, it seems that energy is proportional to mass, and in others, it seems like energy is inversely proportional to mass. Why?

Hello. I'm a graduate student in electrical engineering, and I'm taking a class in semiconductor physics. My professor has used this equation for the energy of an electron in a semiconductor:
$$E=\frac{\hbar^2 k^2}{2m^*}$$
This seems to imply that energy is inversely proportional to mass, i.e., a heavier particle has less energy. However, we all know the following equation for kinetic energy from high school physics:
$$E=\frac{1}{2}mv^2$$
That equation actually indicates the opposite: energy is proportional to mass, and a heavier particle has more energy. Moreover, it seems like these two equations are derived from each other, using ##p=mv## and ##p=\hbar k##.
$$E=\frac{1}{2}mv^2=\frac{mv^2}{2}=\frac{m^2v^2}{2m}=\frac{p^2}{2m}=\frac{\hbar^2 k^2}{2m}$$
This is somewhat confusing, that these two equations are derived from each other, and yet they seem to be saying opposite things. So which one is true? Do heavier particles have more energy, or less energy? Or are both statements true, in different situations?

The problem here is that you are not focusing on what is being kept CONSTANT. And I'm surprised this is propping up now, because I went over something like this in my General Physics mechanics topic.

We know that

p = mv

and that

K = 1/2 mv2 = p2/2m.

If you have 2 masses, where m1 > m2, but you have it so that p is a constant for both masses (meaning that they also have different velocity), then obviously

p1 = p2

However, one can already tell that the kinetic energy for them is not identical, i.e.

K1 < K2.

The one with the greater mass, i.e. m1, may have the same momentum, but it has a smaller kinetic energy.

This is no different than the situation you brought up. It is just that you did not realize that in your question, you are implicitly making the momentum, i.e. p = ħk to be a constant.

Zz.
 
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