What do you think about sterotyping

[AzonicZeniths]

*slaps forehead*

It's not a generalization that black men have big genitalia or listen to rap or commit crimes, it's a stereotype.

You're treading some dangerous ground here. Are you honestly saying that "Generally black men commit crimes"? I'll help you out: no.

Ahhh yes. Sorry I was mixed up there. Generalization is when a previous influence makes you stereotype the same thing for an entire group, rather than for that one thing.

ex. Say X has a very obnoxious personality, and Y, Z, W, and V are in the same group as X. Generalization is when you would assume that Y, Z, W, and V all have obnoxious personalities too because they are in the same group as X.

Ok, now I got it straight. :)

 

[lisab]

you're using 'adult' knowledge ----and 'definitions'---the thread began with post #1 (if you go back and read it) then progressed to trying explain 'stereotyping' without referring back to the original post (until now). I've been leaning toward trying to explain things from the level of the OP.

I talk to kids the same way I talk to adults.

 

[Cyrus]

I think sterotypes make for some damn funny jokes!

I make really bad racial sterotype jokes all the time infront of the people of that sterotype. Its so damn offensive they start laughing. If I am with a black person, then I make black sterotype jokes. The same goes for Jews, white people, muslims, indian people, you name it. No ones off limits.

But I the way I say it makes it funny and not offensive to the person(s) I say it to.

 

[DaveC426913]

you're using 'adult' knowledge ----and 'definitions'---the thread began with post #1 (if you go back and read it) then progressed to trying explain 'stereotyping' without referring back to the original post (until now). I've been leaning toward trying to explain things from the level of the OP.

Why would one promote misuse of a word that one is trying to discuss?

lisab et al are correct. Grouping is sorting based on observed characteristics. Stereotyping is sorting based on assumed characteristics.

The difference is absolutely critical to the issue at hand, and to the OP's understanding of it.

 

[lisab]

I think sterotypes make for some damn funny jokes!

I make really bad racial sterotype jokes all the time infront of the people of that sterotype. Its so damn offensive they start laughing. If I am with a black person, then I make black sterotype jokes. The same goes for Jews, white people, muslims, indian people, you name it. No ones off limits.

Cyrus...

 

[Mk]

Are you honestly saying that "Generally black men commit crimes"? I'll help you out: no.

You better get out your data, this is a scientific-minded forum.

 

[rewebster]

Why would one promote misuse of a word that one is trying to discuss?

lisab et al are correct. Grouping is sorting based on observed characteristics. Stereotyping is sorting based on assumed characteristics.

The difference is absolutely critical to the issue at hand, and to the OP's understanding of it.

from the original post:

... I have never experianced the feeling of people looking at you mean or like your stuck up until this year. .

 

[Moonbear]

No.

Grouping is categorizing things based on observed criteria. Brown eyed people in this group; blue eyes here; green eyes there; etc.

Stereotyping is a generalization based on observed criteria - a brown eyed person lied to me once; therefore all brown eyed people are liars.

I'm going with rewebster on this. Grouping, as in sorting blocks, is the basis of stereotyping. How do you decide which feature of an object or person to weight most in your grouping? Why do you decide to sort by shape rather than color when sorting blocks? Why do you decide to group people based on skin color rather than hair color or height? It all involves weighting the variables, that means preconceptions of why one is more important than the others, or that one must be more important than the others. If you didn't teach a child to sort blocks, they'd think they were all different from one another (the blue cube is different from the red cube is different from the red ball).

"Which one of these things is not like the others" is not very different from "Which one of these people is not like the others." Remember the old Sesame Street shows where they did this to combat certain fixed stereotypes? They'd have two white kids and one brown one all playing with balls of some sort, and one white kid playing with a jump rope, and asked, "Which one of these is not like the others?" They'd weight it that it was the one with the hula hoop, but that was a conscious choice on their part to teach that the brown kid isn't different. However, if you grow up instead being taught that playing with hula hoops is different from playing with balls, you haven't really combated stereotypes, you've just changed them so the kid who doesn't like playing ball sports is the one picked on instead of the one with a different skin color.

You could have equally looked at that group of children playing and said they are all different, or they were all similar...children playing, or children playing with round things. But, by forcing one to prioritize a particular grouping over another and single one out as different, or not belonging to the "popular group", you set up kids to begin noticing those differences. The ONE that's different gets associated as "wrong." But, this is not required by the definition of stereotype, just to group things by type.

Main Entry:
2stereotype
Function:
noun
Etymology:
French stéréotype, from stéré- stere- + type
Date:
1817

1: a plate cast from a printing surface
2: something conforming to a fixed or general pattern; especially : a standardized mental picture that is held in common by members of a group and that represents an oversimplified opinion, prejudiced attitude, or uncritical judgment

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary

 

[rewebster]

If you didn't teach a child to sort blocks, they'd think they were all different from one another...

One reason why people working in pharmacies and as nurses give out the wrong prescriptions

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

Stereotyping is just a recognition of patterns. The patterns perceived may or may not be false. I don't see what is wrong with the idea that certain superficial characteristics may indicate that a person may also possesses other characteristics that are commonly associated. The only one I can think of that is not likely to be controversial of me to discuss is druggies. I have met and even been friends with many. Just about every single one of them were liars and theives. And that isn't just my experience of them either. Is it wrong of me to not trust druggies and want to avoid them?

 

[Moonbear]

One reason why people working in pharmacies and as nurses give out the wrong prescriptions

Aww, c'mon, we all know it's the "little blue pill." Oh, right, there are those other little blue pills too.
http://www.drugs.com/inderal-images.html
http://www.drugs.com/ms-contin-images.html

Indeed, there's a dose of that last one that's a purple pill too. No wonder people are enjoying asking their doctors about a purple pill. I guess you might really only be interested in something to treat your heartburn, but if you take this other purple pill, you probably just won't care anymore.

 

[rewebster]

And what about those of the color-blind persuasion?


(will taking four make it twice as good?)

 

[Poop-Loops]

One reason why people working in pharmacies and as nurses give out the wrong prescriptions

"You gave me the WRONG prescription! I could have died!"
"But I am SO GOOD at sorting blocks! My momma said so!"

 

[kirk101]

i have been looking through the eyes of others now and i feel the hurt they go through when people are mean about them it hurts so i try to build the people up

 

[lisab]

i have been looking through the eyes of others now and i feel the hurt they go through when people are mean about them it hurts so i try to build the people up

You have strong empathy, and that's a very good thing.

 

[kirk101]

You have strong empathy, and that's a very good thing.

ya but I am also a hypocrit (cant spell good) but like i have treated some people bad )= but without meaning to but most time i really care i just try not to show it but if any1 need help with anything I am here for anybody just pm me

 

[K.J.Healey]

Question about definitions sort of:

So we have a group G.
If a small fraction of group G exhibit a behavior, and we assume all elements of G follow the behavioral trend then that is a stereotype.

What is the definition of the opposite:

We have a group F population that exhibits an observed behavior, and we observe that the majority of group F is of another group F'.

Group F == All physics grad students
Group F' == Poor (Ramen Fueled)

Now if we say that because the majority of Group F also belong to group F', that the majority of F' also belongs to F is a false correlation, a stereotype. (Most poor people are not Physics grad students)

But what if we say that since the majority of Group F belongs to F', that we can approximate it and say all F belong to F', what is that? A generalization?

Obviously a stereotype seems unethical, but what about a generalization? If we meet a grad student can we assume he lacks expendable income? I know it'd be wrong to assume that if we met someone who lacked expendable income that they were also a grad student.

 

[rewebster]

I just think that stereotyping is a specific type of generalization.--but still they're close.

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I also can read/assume/generalize/stereotype that the situation described in post #1 is a type of psychological bullying, if you wanted to push it to an 'extreme' level (if someone really wanted to push it out farther on the bell shaped curve).

 

[Chi Meson]

I think sterotypes make for some damn funny jokes!

I make really bad racial sterotype jokes all the time infront of the people of that sterotype. Its so damn offensive they start laughing. If I am with a black person, then I make black sterotype jokes. The same goes for Jews, white people, muslims, indian people, you name it. No ones off limits.

But I the way I say it makes it funny and not offensive to the person(s) I say it to.

Some people can do that. Not me. I would not have a face left If I tried that even once.

There is another teacher at my school who is one of those people who can be so deliberately offensive right in front of your face yet everyone just laughs. He can insult you, and your reaction would be to thank him. It seems to be something he learned growing up in New York City.

 

[rewebster]

Some people can do that. Not me. I would not have a face left If I tried that even once.

There is another teacher at my school who is one of those people who can be so deliberately offensive right in front of your face yet everyone just laughs. He can insult you, and your reaction would be to thank him. It seems to be something he learned growing up in New York City.

why do they laugh, though?

I laugh at the "cable guy", too.

 

[Chi Meson]

why do they laugh, though?

I laugh at the "cable guy", too.

You mean "Larry the..." or the movie? I think one of them is funny. But this guy, the other teacher, is seriously funny. The only way you can get away with it. He is Filipino himself, and he includes self-deprecation in his comedic repertoire.

 

[DaveC426913]

Stereotyping is just a recognition of patterns. The patterns perceived may or may not be false. I don't see what is wrong with the idea that certain superficial characteristics may indicate that a person may also possesses other characteristics that are commonly associated. The only one I can think of that is not likely to be controversial of me to discuss is druggies. I have met and even been friends with many. Just about every single one of them were liars and theives. And that isn't just my experience of them either. Is it wrong of me to not trust druggies and want to avoid them?

"other characteristics that are commonly associated"

Aye, there's the rub. The trouble is in determining which associations are relevant and which ones are not.

All we have to do is look at racial sterotypes and we can see where the trouble lies.

In the end, it almost always comes down to the conclusion that stereotypes tend to be far more destructive than constructive. You're better to skip the stereotypes and look at the facts rather than the assumptions.

For example, in your case, if by "druggies" you mean people who are actually breaking the law with their habits, then it is a fact that they are willing to commit crimes - and they can be judged on that.

 

[DaveC426913]

You mean "Larry the..." or the movie? I think one of them is funny. But this guy, the other teacher, is seriously funny. The only way you can get away with it. He is Filipino himself, and he includes self-deprecation in his comedic repertoire.

For the record, racial stereotyping is racial stereotyping regardless of the race of the person doing it.

Much comedy is pretty edgy, and stereotyping has always been a generally accepted part of that, no question.

 

[kirk101]

ya well there is a line between comedy and raciest

 

[K.J.Healey]

ya well there is a line between comedy and raciest

Is that whether or not you know how to deliver the joke?

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

"other characteristics that are commonly associated"

Aye, there's the rub. The trouble is in determining which associations are relevant and which ones are not.

All we have to do is look at racial sterotypes and we can see where the trouble lies.

In the end, it almost always comes down to the conclusion that stereotypes tend to be far more destructive than constructive. You're better to skip the stereotypes and look at the facts rather than the assumptions.

For example, in your case, if by "druggies" you mean people who are actually breaking the law with their habits, then it is a fact that they are willing to commit crimes - and they can be judged on that.

Perhaps we can take it a bit further then. The druggie scenario is a bit simplistic.
I'm a security guard. I have been dealing with all sorts of people as an "authority figure" for about five years now. I have found that there are definite trends in reaction to authority in different cultures. I'm not saying that anyone in particular are more troublesome than others but that the ways in which they react are fairly consistent along cultural lines. Other factors seem to influence this too. I have worked with people of different cultural backgrounds than myself and people would react differently to them than to me. The point of this is that realizing these differences can help me in doing my job. Knowing how to approach people in the most effective manner is important and if they react differently to me then I need to approach them differently.

So that people don't think too terribly of me for this I must say that most people regardless are rather nice and cooperative and I always approach everyone the same way to begin with. It's only when I am dealing with someone who is becoming a problem that I change my treatment of them. I always try to keep it equitable though.