What Does a 0 Degree Show in Elongation for Strain Gages?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of strain measurements from strain gauges placed around a hole subjected to internal pressure. Participants explore the implications of stress and strain in different directions, particularly focusing on the relationship between the applied pressure and the resulting elongation in the context of Hooke's Law and Poisson's ratio.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the implications of a "0" degree elongation measurement, questioning why the expected strain in the direction of the applied pressure is not observed.
  • Another participant suggests that the enlargement of the hole due to pressure implies that strain will occur in the circumferential direction, even if the pressure acts perpendicularly to the surface.
  • It is noted that according to Hooke's Law, strain can occur in directions perpendicular to the applied stress due to Poisson's ratio, leading to strain in both directions "a" and "b".
  • A participant proposes a simplified model where an increase in radius of the hole results in a greater strain circumferentially (gage "a") compared to radially (gage "b"), suggesting that the strain measurements reflect this relationship.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the applied pressure and the resulting strain measurements, with no consensus reached on the interpretation of the strain gauge results or the application of Hooke's Law in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations in their understanding of the relationship between stress and strain, particularly in the context of internal pressure and the geometry of the hole. The discussion remains open to interpretation and further exploration of the underlying principles.

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Question from one of my exams,I am lgoing crazy becaue this is against everything I understand.
Please please please help me :
http://imageshack.us/f/189/examh.jpg/

Basicaly,I need to found what the "0" degree shows me on elongation.
As I look at the hole in the figure,I see the pressure everywhere is perpendicular to its surfice.
That means,the stress is perpendicular to the surfice,and there is no stress in direction of "a".
All the stress goes in direction of "b".

In my logic,that meansthis is case of simple Hook Law with use of Poisson ratio.Because the stress in the direction of b,then elongation there must be bigger.

But it is not the case.Why why why oh god why!??

Thanks in advance.
 
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If the pressure causes the hole to enlarge, then (picturing it in 2D for simplicity) the circumference of the hole must increase, meaning 'a' is going to register strain.

A balloon stretches as contained air pressure increases, though pressure acts perpendicularly to the surface. Yes, it's not rigid, but the same idea would apply.
 
NascentOxygen said:
If the pressure causes the hole to enlarge, then (picturing it in 2D for simplicity) the circumference of the hole must increase, meaning 'a' is going to register strain.

A balloon stretches as contained air pressure increases, though pressure acts perpendicularly to the surface. Yes, it's not rigid, but the same idea would apply.


Offcourse,and according to Hook law,there will be strain even in the directions there is no stress.That is,perpendicular directions to stress will also change dimentions,according to Poison ratio.

What I don't understand is:
According to the exam,there is pressure "P" acting inside the hole,meaning it is perpendicular at every point to the hole circumference.

So-the bigger strain will be in the direction of the pressure.So,the strain gage "b",which is in the direction of the pressure (as it is perpendicular to the hole) should move more,than "a".
But infact,the answer is exactly the opposite:

"a" measure strain of 10^(-3)
"b" measures 2.5*10^(-4),which is exactly a*v (v-poison ratio).How can that be?Its supposedto be a=b*v,not the other way around!"b" should bebigger than "a"!

I hate this,nothing makes sense...
 
Imagine the pressure causes the "rigid" body to yield such that the "spherical" hole increases by 1mm in radius all around. (Simplifying to 2 dimensions) This will cause the circumference to increase by 2Pi mm. Hence you see the strain will be 6 times greater circumferentially (gage a) than radially (gage b). This is for 2 dimensions, so is only a rough guide to reality where we are involved with 3 dimensions.

Now, is that a sound basis on which to get you to revise your thinking?
 

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