What Does a Zero Metric Mean in the Context of Pre-Big Bang Physics?

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The discussion centers on the concept of a zero metric in the context of pre-Big Bang physics. Participants explore the implications of a zero metric at time t=0 and its meaning within various theoretical frameworks related to the universe's origins.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants mention various types of metrics, including Euclidean, Lorentzian, and others, in relation to the discussion of a zero metric at t=0.
  • There is a suggestion that a zero metric could be represented as (0,0,0,0), raising questions about its significance.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the meaning of a zero metric, comparing it to philosophical questions like the nature of infinity.
  • Another participant suggests that the term "zero metric" might refer to a ##C^0## metric, indicating a potential misunderstanding of terminology.
  • Concerns are raised about the appropriateness of the discussion level, with some participants asserting that the topic is more complex than basic mathematical identities.
  • A participant challenges the validity of the concept of a zero metric, calling it "nonsense" and urging others to find peer-reviewed references to support their claims.

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Participants express differing views on the meaning and validity of a zero metric, with no consensus reached on its significance or implications in pre-Big Bang physics. Some participants seek clarification and references, while others dismiss the concept as nonsensical.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions and implications of a zero metric, as well as the level of knowledge required to engage with the topic effectively. References to specific papers and seminars are mentioned, but not all participants have access to them.

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Discussions of before the Big Bang. When t=0 for the universe, one idea is that the metric is zero.
I know about these metrics
Euclidean metric
Einstein manifold
Riemannian, pseudo-Riemannian manifolds or Riemannian space
Lorentzian manifold
Minkowski space
Kähler manifold
Schwarzschild metric
Kerr, Kerr–Newman metrics
Reissner–Nordström metric
inverse or conjugate or dual metric
Induced metric

But in discussions of what happens before the Big Bang, some are saying that at t=0, the metric is zero.
I wonder what that means.
 
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Physics4Funn said:
Summary:: Discussions of before the Big Bang. When t=0 for the universe, one idea is that the metric is zero.

in discussions of what happens before the Big Bang, some are saying that at t=0, the metric is zero.
Please provide a reference for this
 
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"Somewhere in this 67 minute video is the reference you want". Really?

What does a zeroi metric even mean? (0,0,0,0)?
 
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I am sorry Vanadium.
Did you want a reference to somewhere in a paper?
I haven't found any of Eric Ling's papers online yet.

So a zero metric = (0,0,0,0)?
Is it just a simple fact like 0=0?
Is it just an imponderable like 'What is infinity?'
I haven't heard before of anyone considering what before the Big Bang was like.

Near the end of the talk the speaker referenced other researchers who were investigating this subject also. But I didn't get their names.

I hope that my post was not inappropriate.
 
Physics4Funn said:
I am sorry Vanadium.
Did you want a reference to somewhere in a paper?
I haven't found any of Eric Ling's papers online yet.

So a zero metric = (0,0,0,0)?
Is it just a simple fact like 0=0?
Is it just an imponderable like 'What is infinity?'
I haven't heard before of anyone considering what before the Big Bang was like.

Near the end of the talk the speaker referenced other researchers who were investigating this subject also. But I didn't get their names.

I hope that my post was not inappropriate.
This is not "A" level analysis, though.

Whatever Eric Ling is presenting in that video is significantly more advanced and sophisticated than ##0 = 0## or pondering the nature of infinity!
 
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Physics4Funn said:
Eric Ling, Rutgers University, “Spacetime extensions of the big bang”
http://causal-fermion-system.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/abstract-ling.pdf
is the seminar.
Other references were mentioned in the talk, but I didn't catch them, and I haven't yet re-watched the seminar to pick them out.
I skimmed through the presentation twice but didn’t see where he discussed a zero metric. Can you be more specific?
 
My guess is, and i might be wrong, that by zero metric you mean ##C^0## metric. You just didn't think that the "c" was important. If i am right and if you don't know what that means, then you are not ready for the talk in the video.
 
Physics4Funn said:
I haven't found any of Eric Ling's papers online yet.

Then go find one.

Physics4Funn said:
I haven't heard before of anyone considering what before the Big Bang was like.

Then you apparently have not read anything about inflation models, particularly "eternal inflation" models. And that means your level of knowledge is nowhere near what is appropriate for an "A" level discussion.

Physics4Funn said:
a zero metric

...is nonsense. If you want to show otherwise, find a peer-reviewed paper that explains what a "zero metric" is and why the concept is meaningful.

In the meantime, this thread is closed.
 
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