What Does Integrating a Complex Function Yield?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of integrating complex functions, specifically what the integral of a complex function from $$\mathbb{C}$$ to $$\mathbb{C}$$ represents. Participants explore the concept of path integrals, line integrals, and the implications of integrating functions that map from $$\mathbb{R}^2$$ to $$\mathbb{R}^2$$, as well as potential applications in complex analysis.

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  • One participant questions the meaning of the integral $$\int_{a}^{b} f(z) dz$$ for complex functions and seeks clarification on path integrals.
  • Another participant explains the definition of integrals for functions mapping from $$\mathbb{R}$$ to $$\mathbb{C}$$ and generalizes this to line integrals, noting that line integrals do not have straightforward interpretations like real integrals.
  • Some participants suggest that integrating complex functions does not yield a clear geometric interpretation in terms of area or volume, particularly in higher dimensions.
  • One participant mentions practical applications of contour integrals in complex analysis, including their use in finding complex derivatives and solving difficult real integrals.
  • Another participant discusses the dual applications of complex analysis: solving one-dimensional integrals and analyzing two-dimensional slices of physical problems.
  • There is a suggestion that the product of a complex function and its differential can be viewed in terms of vector fields, although this remains speculative.

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Participants express differing views on the geometric interpretation of complex integrals, with some asserting that there is no relationship to area or volume, while others explore potential interpretations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of integration in complex analysis.

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Some limitations include the dependence on definitions of integrals and the unresolved nature of interpretations in higher dimensions.

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This is also a question for $$\mathbb{R}^2\to\mathbb{R}^2$$ If you have a complex function, $$f(z)$$ which thus maps from $$\mathbb{C}\to\mathbb{C}$$ what exactly does
\int_{a}^{b} f(z)\space dz mean?

Integrating a function f(x) from $$\mathbb{R}\to\mathbb{R}$$ yields the net signed area between f(x) and the x axis. What would integrating a complex function give you? Also, can someone please explain what a path integral is? I asked my math teacher about this and he told me that it has to do with path integrals, but he hasn't studied complex analysis for years.

P.S. how can I type an equation that doesn't start a new paragraph and stays in my sentence?
 
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If you have a function f:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{C}, then you usually define

\int_a^b f(x)dx= \int_a^b Re(f(x)) dx + i \int_a^b Im(f(x))dx

You can generalize this kind of integral to line integrals.
In that case, we are given a curve c:[a,b]\rightarrow \mathbb{C} and we have a function F:\mathbb{C}\rightarrow \mathbb{C}. We define

\int_c F(\zeta)d\zeta = \int_a^b F(c(x)) c^\prime(x) dx.

These are the integrals which are studied in complex analysis.

Functions f:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{R} have easy interpretations for integrals: they are just the (signed) area under the curve. Although there are other interpretations as well.
Line integrals don't really have such easy interpretations, but they certainly are useful.

An interpretation that might be useful is if your function F has codomain \mathbb{R}. So we are given a curve c:[a,b]\rightarrow \mathbb{R}^2 and F:\mathbb{R}^2\rightarrow \mathbb{R}. We can define line integrals in this case by

\int_c F = \int_a^b F(c(t)) |c^\prime(t)|dt

This looks a lot like the complex integral above (except for the norm). This can be given a geometric intepretation.

Indeed, we can see F:\mathbb{R}^2\rightarrow \mathbb{R} as a surface in \mathbb{R}^3. The curve c then defines a curve on the surface by t\rightarrow F(c(t)). The area under this curve is then exactly the line integral.

See this nice animation on wikipedia:
Line_integral_of_scalar_field.gif
 
That's a beautiful explanation, micromass. I wished I'd had that when I studied line integrals, together with the Wikipedia animation. (What we got was usually only a comment like "Just get on with your work and don't bother with 'understanding' what you're doing.")

piercebeatz: if you want to include TeX code "inline", you can enclose it in [ itex]...[/itex] tags, rather than [ tex]...[/tex] for paragraphs of code (without those spaces though).
 
micromass said:
If you have a function f:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{C}, then you usually define

\int_a^b f(x)dx= \int_a^b Re(f(x)) dx + i \int_a^b Im(f(x))dx

You can generalize this kind of integral to line integrals.
In that case, we are given a curve c:[a,b]\rightarrow \mathbb{C} and we have a function F:\mathbb{C}\rightarrow \mathbb{C}. We define

\int_c F(\zeta)d\zeta = \int_a^b F(c(x)) c^\prime(x) dx.

These are the integrals which are studied in complex analysis.

Functions f:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{R} have easy interpretations for integrals: they are just the (signed) area under the curve. Although there are other interpretations as well.
Line integrals don't really have such easy interpretations, but they certainly are useful.

An interpretation that might be useful is if your function F has codomain \mathbb{R}. So we are given a curve c:[a,b]\rightarrow \mathbb{R}^2 and F:\mathbb{R}^2\rightarrow \mathbb{R}. We can define line integrals in this case by

\int_c F = \int_a^b F(c(t)) |c^\prime(t)|dt

This looks a lot like the complex integral above (except for the norm). This can be given a geometric intepretation.

Indeed, we can see F:\mathbb{R}^2\rightarrow \mathbb{R} as a surface in \mathbb{R}^3. The curve c then defines a curve on the surface by t\rightarrow F(c(t)). The area under this curve is then exactly the line integral.

See this nice animation on wikipedia:
[PLAIN]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Line_integral_of_scalar_field.gif[/QUOTE]

Thanks, all that makes sense. But if you are integrating from \mathbb{C}\to\mathbb{C}, or \mathbb{R}^2\to\mathbb{R}^2 what exactly does integration give you? I see that for \mathbb{R}^2\to\mathbb{R} or vice versa, you are working in 3 dimensions and you still get an area. What would you get if you did the same thing in 4 dimensions? For example, what would: $$\int_{1+i}^{2-3i} z^2+2iz+3-5i \space dz$$ give me? (I mean in terms of area/volume, not the actual answer)
 
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piercebeatz said:
Thanks, all that makes sense. But if you are integrating from \mathbb{C}\to\mathbb{C}, or \mathbb{R}^2\to\mathbb{R}^2 what exactly does integration give you? I see that for \mathbb{R}^2\to\mathbb{R} or vice versa, you are working in 3 dimensions and you still get an area. What would you get if you did the same thing in 4 dimensions? For example, what would: $$\int_{1+i}^{2-3i} z^2+2iz+3-5i \space dz$$ give me? (I mean in terms of area/volume, not the actual answer)

There is no relationship to area or volume. At least: not that I know of.
 
micromass said:
There is no relationship to area or volume. At least: not that I know of.

OK. Are there any practical uses of definite integrals in a complex hypersurface?
 
piercebeatz said:
OK. Are there any practical uses of definite integrals in a complex hypersurface?

Sure. Contour integrals in complex analysis are very useful.

Here are some applications:

  • Finding out which function F:\mathbb{C}\rightarrow \mathbb{C} are the complex derivative of another function.
  • Proving that any complex differentiable function is in fact infinitely many times differentiable.
  • Calculating real integrals which are otherwise very hard to calcuate.
  • Proving the fundamental theorem of the algebra.

I know that only (3) would be interesting to a physicist, and maybe (1) as well. But if you want to know physical applications or interpretations of the contour integral, then I'm not the person for that (since I know no physics).
 
piercebeatz said:
Thanks, all that makes sense. But if you are integrating from \mathbb{C}\to\mathbb{C}, or \mathbb{R}^2\to\mathbb{R}^2 what exactly does integration give you? I see that for \mathbb{R}^2\to\mathbb{R} or vice versa, you are working in 3 dimensions and you still get an area. What would you get if you did the same thing in 4 dimensions? For example, what would: $$\int_{1+i}^{2-3i} z^2+2iz+3-5i \space dz$$ give me? (I mean in terms of area/volume, not the actual answer)

I like to see the subject of complex analysis as having two applications (at least that you can learn about fairly early on, there's more, but then I'd have to charge you (JK, I don't know more, it's above my paygrade)).

One is, it helps to do some difficult one-d integrals, the subject of contour integrals is a technique to solve 1-d integrals, by calling upon the complex plane.

The second application, is to 2-d slices of physical problems, like electricity and magnetism, or fluid dynamics. This is not arbitrary, the physical problems have to be of a certain type, obeying (approximately?) certain partial differential equations.

Now, as far as an area or volume for integrating f(z)dz, you might think of these as vector fields, f(z)=(s(x,y),t(x,y)), and dz=(dx,dy). Then f(z)dz is a strange product, sort of like a cross product (I'll be embarassed if that's actually what it is).

Oops, micromass already said some of this, I'm just rambling, oh well.
 

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