What does it mean by 'number of particles in a substance'?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "the number of particles in a substance," particularly in the context of moles and Avogadro's number. Participants explore the meaning of counting particles, such as atoms, molecules, and ions, and how these relate to the concept of moles in chemistry.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the equation N = n × NA to define the number of particles (N) in terms of moles (n) and Avogadro's number (NA).
  • Another participant questions the conceptual difference between counting discrete objects like "five cars" and "ten molecules," suggesting a need for clarity in understanding particle counting.
  • Several participants assert that particles can refer to atoms, molecules, or ions, indicating that the term is broad and context-dependent.
  • A participant emphasizes that counting particles is straightforward, as it involves recognizing what is being counted, regardless of the type of particle.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the original question, seeking clarification on what aspect of counting particles is unclear.

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There is no consensus on the clarity of the original question regarding the meaning of "the number of particles." While some participants assert that the concept is simple, others express confusion and seek further clarification.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference different interpretations of the term "particles" and how they relate to counting in chemistry, but do not resolve the underlying confusion about the conceptual framework.

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Homework Statement


If, N = n × NA
Where N = Number of particles in the substance
and n = Amount of substance in moles (mol)
and NA = Avogadro Number = 6.022 × 1023 particles mol-1
To find the number of particles, N, in a substance: N = n × NA
To find the moles, n, of substance, n = N ÷ NA

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The Attempt at a Solution


As I know mole = given mas / atomic or molecular mass of that entities. so, n = w / M
If n = N / NA, then what does it mean by ' the number of particles'?
 
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How is "five cars" conceptually different from "ten molecules"?
 
Borek said:
How is "five cars" conceptually different from "ten molecules"?
'Five cars' is a different thing and 'ten molecules' is a different thing. But both of them denote the numbers.
 
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Conceptually in both cases you have a number of objects. Where is the problem with counting the molecules?
 
Borek said:
Conceptually in both cases you have a number of objects. Where is the problem with counting the molecules?
Could you clarify your question, please?
 
Can you count the molecules?
 
Borek said:
Can you count the molecules?
Yes.
6.023 x 10^23 molecules of any objects make 1 mole of that object.
 
HCverma said:
Yes.

So which part of the

HCverma said:
what does it mean by ' the number of particles'?

is not clear?
 
Borek said:
So which part of the
is not clear?
Particles mean atoms, molecules, ions.
 
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I still fail to see where the problem is. You do know which ones you count when you are counting? You can have mole of atoms, mole of molecules, mole of ions - in general we refer to them as to "mole of substance", no matter what they exactly are. In each case it means you counted some objects, no matter what they are.

In general you can have a mole of cars, why not.
 
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HCverma said:
what does it mean by ' the number of particles'?
...
Particles mean atoms, molecules, ions.

x particles = x atoms
x particles = x molecules
x particles = x ions

"x" = "the number of"

It's as simple as that. And no more.

ps. I saw your other thread yesterday, and decided that you seem to think "mathematically", and have trouble with "wordy answers". I can totally relate with that.
pps. Did you ever figure that one out?
 
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OmCheeto said:
x particles = x atoms
x particles = x molecules
x particles = x ions

"x" = "the number of"

It's as simple as that. And no more.

ps. I saw your other thread yesterday, and decided that you seem to think "mathematically", and have trouble with "wordy answers". I can totally relate with that.
pps. Did you ever figure that one out?
Yes.
 
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