What does it mean, The Higgs boson is an excitation of the higgs field

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The discussion revolves around the nature of the Higgs boson and its relationship to the Higgs field, exploring concepts of mass, excitations of fields, and symmetry breaking in particle physics. Participants engage with theoretical implications and interpretations of these concepts.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how Higgs bosons can have mass if the Higgs field is responsible for giving mass to other particles.
  • There is a discussion about whether the Higgs field is made of Higgs bosons, with some arguing that the Higgs field is an aspect of the vacuum and not composed of particles in the traditional sense.
  • Participants clarify that excitations of fields correspond to particles, with the Higgs boson being an excitation of the Higgs field, similar to how electrons are excitations of the electron field.
  • One participant compares the Higgs boson to a sound wave in a solid, suggesting that the Higgs field itself can be seen as composed of bosons that are distinct from the observed excitations.
  • There is a claim that the Higgs field gives mass to both other particles and the Higgs boson itself, with some suggesting that another field may contribute to the mass of the Higgs boson.
  • Participants discuss the role of the Higgs interaction in breaking the symmetry of electroweak theory, with some uncertainty about whether the Higgs field gives mass or merely differentiates particles.
  • One participant emphasizes that the breaking of symmetry is spontaneous and tied to the nonzero vacuum expectation value of the Higgs field, while others engage with the implications of gauge invariance in the context of mass terms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the nature of the Higgs field, the mass of the Higgs boson, and the mechanisms of symmetry breaking. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached on these complex topics.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of gauge invariance and the role of vacuum expectation values in the context of mass generation, indicating that assumptions about interactions and symmetries are critical to the discussion.

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How come Higgs Bosons have mass if Higgs field itself gives other thin

How come Higgs Bosons have mass if Higgs field itself gives other thing their mass?
 
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What does it mean, The Higgs boson is an excitation of the higgs field? Isn't the higgs field simply made of Higgs Bosons?
 
What does it mean, The Higgs boson is an excitation of the higgs field?
The electron is an excitation of the electron field, the photon is an excitation of the electromagnetic field, and the Higgs boson is an excitation of the Higgs field. The world is made of quantum fields, and all the particles we see are just excitations of those fields. "Excitation" means an eigenstate with well-defined energy.
Isn't the higgs field simply made of Higgs Bosons?
The Higgs field they talk about is an aspect of the vacuum, and isn't made of anything in the normal sense. It's part of a completely uniform and unchanging background, upon which physics takes place.
 
Then what is an excitation of an electron field?
 
Bill_K said:
isn't made of anything in the normal sense..

Everything has to be made up of something :O. isn't it
 
Then what is an excitation of an electron field?
An excitation of THE electron field is an electron. Repeating what I said - particles are not the fundamental objects in the world. There are not 1080 (or whatever the number is) independent electrons running around, they are all elementary excitations of a single universe-pervading field. (And this is one good reason why they are identical!)

Same for the other types of elementary particles.
 
The terminology is not very fortunate: A Higgs boson is comparable to a sound wave in some solid, where the solid is the equivalent of the Higgs field. The Higgs field itself is also composed of bosons, but which are not identical to the excitations having been observed at CERN.
 
The Higgs field gives a mass both to other particles and the Higgs particle. In addition, the Higgs particle is the only particle which can have a mass on its own.
 
mfb said:
Higgs particle is the only particle which can have a mass on its own.

Some kind of another field is giving the Higgs boson its mass possibly?
 
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Thanks all!
 
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Well I'm not sure about what I'm going to say, but I am open to corrections ^_^.
it's not Higgs Boson that gives the masses... It is the Higgs Interaction with particles, that breaks the symmetry of electroweak theory and weak interaction bosons (W,Z) appear with mass while electromagnetic interaction boson (photon) appears massless. In that sense the Higgs gives mass to Ws,Zs.
The masses of all particles in QFT appear as interactions of fields with themselves. For example a Klein Gordon field has a term of m^2 multiplying the coupling of the field with itself. Same on Dirac's case, and so on. And that's due to symmetries of your problem. If you put additional interaction, these symmetries can break and that is what the Higgs Field does (spontaneous symmetry breaking). So I am not sure if it gives mass, or if it just differs them...
 
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It is the Higgs Interaction with particles, that breaks the symmetry of electroweak theory...

If you put additional interaction, these symmetries can break and that is what the Higgs Field does
Almost, but not quite. The interaction is not what breaks the symmetry. The entire Lagrangian, including the interaction terms of the Higgs with the other particles, is gauge invariant. That's a basic requirement!

The breaking of the symmetry is spontaneous, meaning that it is due to the nonzero vacuum expectation value of the Higgs field.

For example, the usual Dirac mass term can be written in terms of right- and left-handed spinors as m(ψLψR + ψRψL). This would not be gauge invariant, since ψL transforms as an SU(2) doublet while ψR transforms as an SU(2) singlet. To replace it with something that is gauge invariant we introduce a Higgs field φ, and write G(ψLφψR + ψRφψL), where G is a coupling constant. This will be gauge invariant, for example, if φ is also an SU(2) doublet (the usual assumption). After the symmetry is spontaneously broken, φ acquires the vacuum expectation value
\left(\begin{array}{c}0\\v\end{array}\right)
and the Lagrangian becomes Gv(ψLψR + ψRψL) which acts as a Dirac mass term.
 

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