What does it mean when it says for long wavelengths?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of electromagnetic waves when incident on a metal surface, specifically focusing on the implications of "long wavelengths" in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the classical treatment of electromagnetic waves for long wavelengths, questioning the relevance of the photoelectric effect. There are inquiries about the behavior of light when interacting with different materials, such as insulators and semiconductors, and discussions about the mathematical representation of wave numbers and parameters involved.

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The conversation is active, with participants providing insights and asking clarifying questions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the implications of long wavelengths and the mathematical expressions involved, but there is no explicit consensus on the interpretations or outcomes.

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Participants are navigating through complex equations and parameters, such as the dimensionless parameter Delta, and discussing the implications of different material properties on the behavior of electromagnetic waves. There is an acknowledgment of varying interpretations and the need for further derivations and clarifications.

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Light is incidence on a metal surface. For long wavelengths find E and B.

What does it mean when it says for long wavelengths?

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I think it just means that the EM wave can be considered classically, i.e. no photoelectric effect type stuff. Just a guess though, your description is pretty sketchy.
 
I think you're right. Thanks
 
So when light is incident on an insulator or a semiconductor, what would happen?
 
In metals, the wave number [tex]k=k_0(1+i\Delta)^{1/2}[/tex].
Delta is a dimensionless parameter: [tex]\Delta=\frac{4\pi\sigma}{\epsilon\omega}[/tex]
in Gaussian units.
"Long wavelength", means small omega, so Delta>>1.
Then a wave in the metal is rapidly attenuated (in less than a wave length).
 
So section 9.4.1 in griffith is irrelevent?

Where can I find a derivation foryour k ?
 
Eq. (9.126) follows (in SI) from the equation I wrote. The algebra is a bit complicated.
 
What's k0?

What about kappa? from 9.126?
 
How would E and B change if this was an insulator or a semiconductor?
 
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Nusc said:
What's k0?

What about kappa? from 9.126?
What I called k_0 is just what G has outside the square root.
It is the k yu would have if sigma=0.
 
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Nusc said:
How would E and B change if this was an insulator or a semiconductor?
G give (9.126), but doesn't do much with it.
His [tex]\sigma/\epsilon\omega[/tex] is what I called [tex]\Delta[/tex].
For a good conductor, [tex]\Delta[/tex] is large and you can approximate the square root.
For a poor conductor, it is small and you make a different expansion.
With these expansions, you can do a lot.
Without them, you do what G does, which is draw a picture or give a problem.
 

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