Uncertainty in wavelength and position

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The discussion revolves around the application of the de-Broglie wavelength and Heisenberg's uncertainty principle in the context of calculating uncertainties in position and wavelength. Participants are exploring the implications of given values and their interpretations in a quantum mechanics framework.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the differentiation of the de-Broglie wavelength formula and its application to the uncertainty principle. There are questions about the interpretation of the uncertainty in wavelength and its impact on the calculated uncertainty in position.

Discussion Status

Several participants are examining the calculations and assumptions made regarding the values used for uncertainty. There is a recognition of potential confusion around the meaning of "one part in 10^4" and its implications for the calculations. Some participants are suggesting that there may be errors in the calculations or interpretations, while others are exploring different approaches to the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted uncertainty regarding the value of Δλ and its representation, as well as the implications of using different interpretations of the given ratio of uncertainties. Participants are also considering the significance of their results in terms of order of magnitude.

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Wavelengths can be measured with accuracies of one part in 10⁴. What is the uncertainty in the position of a 1A X-Ray photon when its wavelength is simultaneously measured?
Relevant Equations
##ΔxΔp>=\frac {\hbar} 2##
In my attempt to solve the problem, I used the formula for de-Broglie wavelength ##p=\frac h λ## and differentiated both sides to get ##Δp = \frac {hΔλ} {λ^2}##.

Plugging this equation into the Heisenberg's position and momentum uncertainty principle formula and calculating the minimum uncertainty in momentum, I got

##Δx=\frac {\hbarλ^2} {2hΔλ} = 7.96 × 10^{-22} m##

The solution looks toο small to me. I am not sure if the value of ##Δλ## is ##10^{-4}## which I used in the calculation. I am not quite sure what one part in ##10^4## means for the uncertainty in λ.
 
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You are given that ##\dfrac{\Delta \lambda}{\lambda}=\dfrac{1}{10^4}##. Did you use that in your equation for ##\Delta x##?
 
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kuruman said:
You are given that ##\dfrac{\Delta \lambda}{\lambda}=\dfrac{1}{10^4}##. Did you use that in your equation for ##\Delta x##?

No, I used ##Δλ = 10^{-4}##. I was confused what accuracy of one part in ##10^4## meant.

The answer should be ##7.96 \times 10^{-12}m = 0.0796 A## then.

Thanks for the help!
 
Saptarshi Sarkar said:
Plugging this equation into the Heisenberg's position and momentum uncertainty principle formula and calculating the minimum uncertainty in momentum, I got

##Δx=\frac {\hbarλ^2} {2hΔλ} = 7.96 × 10^{-22} m##

The solution looks toο small to me. I am not sure if the value of ##Δλ## is ##10^{-4}## which I used in the calculation. I am not quite sure what one part in ##10^4## means for the uncertainty in λ.

I think you may have taken ##\Delta \lambda = 10^4m## there!

"One part in ##10^4##" means ##0.01 \%##
 
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Saptarshi Sarkar said:
No, I used ##Δλ = 10^{-4}##. I was confused what accuracy of one part in ##10^4## meant.

The answer should be ##7.96 \times 10^{-12}m = 0.0796 A## then.

Thanks for the help!
Considering that this is an order of magnitude calculation, I would go with 0.08 A to one significant figure.
 
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Is it just me, or is anyone else getting ##10^4## larger?
 
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Cutter Ketch said:
Is it just me, or is anyone else getting ##10^4## larger?

I agree, ##\lambda^2 = 10^{-20}m, \ \Delta \lambda = 10^{-14}m##, which leads to ##\approx \frac{1}{12} \times 10^{-6}m \approx 8 \times 10^{-8}m##
 
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I think this is just a calculator error. It helps if you remember what @kuruman said in post 2 and simplify your expression for ##\Delta##x algebraicly before putting in numbers.
 

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