What Does Support a Column of Mercury Mean at Sea Level?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the concept of pressure as it relates to a column of mercury at sea level, specifically how atmospheric pressure supports a height of mercury in a tube. Participants are exploring the definitions and implications of pressure measurements in mm Hg and hPa.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are questioning the meaning of "support" in the context of atmospheric pressure and its effect on mercury in a tube. They are exploring whether the height of mercury is dependent on the cross-sectional area of the tube and discussing how to mathematically prove the relationship between atmospheric pressure and the height of mercury.

Discussion Status

Some participants have clarified their understanding of the problem, while others are still grappling with how to mathematically demonstrate the relationship between atmospheric pressure and the height of mercury. There is an ongoing exploration of definitions and calculations related to pressure measurements.

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Participants are working within the constraints of the problem statement, which specifies the density of mercury and the height supported by atmospheric pressure. There is mention of minimal vapor pressure affecting the calculations, indicating a consideration of additional factors in the problem.

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Homework Statement



At sea level, the pressure of the standard terrestrial atmosphere will support a column of mercury of density 1.359 x 10^4 kg/m^3 and of height 0.7600m at a place where the acceleration due to gravity is 9.80665 m/s^2. Show that 1 atmosphere = 760 mm Hg = 1013hPa.

I really just want to know what "support" means.

Does it mean that at this pressure the mercury can only expand so far? So if you had a 1m long tube and you put the mercury in it it would rise 0.76m up the tube. Is it the case that the expansion of the mercury is independent of its area?

If you had a receptacle of cross sectional area A and one of cross sectional area B and you put the same amount of mercury into both would they rise the same distance? Because this doesn't seem right at all.
 
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Andrusko said:

Homework Statement



At sea level, the pressure of the standard terrestrial atmosphere will support a column of mercury of density 1.359 x 10^4 kg/m^3 and of height 0.7600m at a place where the acceleration due to gravity is 9.80665 m/s^2. Show that 1 atmosphere = 760 mm Hg = 1013hPa.

I really just want to know what "support" means.

Does it mean that at this pressure the mercury can only expand so far? So if you had a 1m long tube and you put the mercury in it it would rise 0.76m up the tube. Is it the case that the expansion of the mercury is independent of its area?

If you had a receptacle of cross sectional area A and one of cross sectional area B and you put the same amount of mercury into both would they rise the same distance? Because this doesn't seem right at all.
There is a picture at this link that should help you understand what support means:
http://www.idahoop.org/education/lesson8b.htm

It means the air pushing toward the vacuum can only push 760 mm of Hg.
 
Thanks, that's cleared most of the problem up but I'm still having issues.

By definition atmospheric pressure can be measured in mm/Hg by how far up a tube mercury is pushed by it. The question specifies that the mercury is pushed up 760mm. How does one go about mathematically proving that? Or do I just state exactly what I've said? I got my answer in hPa like so:

I set the zero point to be the mercury-air interface and did a calculation with this formula:

P = P_{0} + \rho(y_{0}-y_{1})g

P_{0} = 0.76*\rho*g

where P_{0} is atmospheric pressure. and P is the vacuum at the top of the tube, and thus zero. After calculating, I get

P_{0} = 101287 Pa which when divided by 100 to get it in hPa is 1013 hPa. Fair enough, but how can I prove the mm/Hg bit?
 
Andrusko said:
Thanks, that's cleared most of the problem up but I'm still having issues.

By definition atmospheric pressure can be measured in mm/Hg by how far up a tube mercury is pushed by it. The question specifies that the mercury is pushed up 760mm. How does one go about mathematically proving that? Or do I just state exactly what I've said? I got my answer in hPa like so:

I set the zero point to be the mercury-air interface and did a calculation with this formula:

P = P_{0} + \rho(y_{0}-y_{1})g

P_{0} = 0.76*\rho*g

where P_{0} is atmospheric pressure. and P is the vacuum at the top of the tube, and thus zero. After calculating, I get

P_{0} = 101287 Pa which when divided by 100 to get it in hPa is 1013 hPa. Fair enough, but how can I prove the mm/Hg bit?

I'm at a loss to say it any other way than that there is minimal vapor pressure in the near vacuum, .01mm or something like that, and it offers little additional offset to help the mercury on the one side to the weight of the air on the other. So ...

P_{0} = \rho*g*h

There is a temperature dependence to the vapor pressure, but I think that it is much tinier per degree C.
 
Fair enough, that makes sense.

Thanks for the help, LowlyPion.
 

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