What Does the Banach Fixed Point Theorem Mean?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Banach Fixed Point Theorem, focusing on its meaning, implications, and applications. Participants express confusion regarding the theorem's conditions and how to apply it to specific problems, including fixed point iterations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a lack of understanding of the Banach fixed point theorem and its condition, questioning the meaning of the inequality involving the function g.
  • Another participant clarifies the theorem's statement, explaining that it involves a contraction mapping where the distance between images of points is less than the distance between the points themselves.
  • A participant suggests that drawing a visual representation of the contraction process might help in understanding how points converge to a fixed point.
  • There is a correction regarding the inequality, with a participant emphasizing the need for the contraction constant K to be less than 1 for the theorem to hold.
  • One participant poses a hypothetical problem involving the application of the Banach fixed point iteration to solve an equation and asks how to demonstrate the assumptions of the theorem on a specific interval.
  • Another participant provides a method for approaching the posed problem, suggesting a specific function and an iterative process to find a fixed point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express confusion about the theorem and its applications, with no consensus on a clear understanding of its implications or the specific problem posed. Multiple viewpoints on how to interpret and apply the theorem are present.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the importance of the contraction condition and its implications for convergence, while others focus on the practical application of the theorem to specific equations. There are unresolved questions regarding the clarity of the theorem's conditions and the iterative process.

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I really don't understand nothing from the Banach fixed point theorem, i know that it should satisfy:
[g(x)-g(y)]<K(x-y) for all x and y in[a,b]
but i don't even understand what that's supposed to mean?

any help will be appreciated.
thank you.
 
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The statement is:
Let g be a map (function) which satisfies
[tex]| g(x) - g(y) | < K |x - y|[/tex]
for some real number 0 <= K < 1, for every point x and y
Then there exists one and only one [itex]x_0[/itex] such that [itex]g(x_0) = x_0[/itex] (that is: x0 is a "fixed point" of g).

Now, which part don't you understand? Is it the meaning or application of the theorem that confuses you? Is it the distances? The variables?

Basically, the condition says that g is a contraction mapping, that is: if you take any two points x and y, then their images under g will be closer together than the points themselves. Now the theorem states that if you have such a function g, then somewhere there is a point which doesn't move at all.
 
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if there was a question like:
a)use the banach fixed point iteration to solve the equation x=1/(2+x^2)
b)show that the assumptions of the banach fixed point theorem on the interval [0,1]

how would i go about solving it?
 
sara_87 said:
I really don't understand nothing from the Banach fixed point theorem, i know that it should satisfy:
[g(x)-g(y)]<K(x-y) for all x and y in[a,b]
No, you don't know that! It should be [itex][g(x)- g(y)]\le k(x- y)[/itex] where K< 1.
Applying g to two points in the set moves them closer together.

but i don't even understand what that's supposed to mean?

any help will be appreciated.
thank you.
Draw a picture! Take a sheet of paper and draw some "set"- that is, some closed curve representing the original set. If you were to apply your contraction map to every point in that set what would happen? Since every point gets closer to every other point, the entire set is "contracted" to a smaller set inside the original set. Now apply your function to every point in THAT set. Again, it is "contracted"- you have a still smaller set. As you apply the function again and again, you get smaller and smaller sets, contracting to a single point. If you were to apply the function to THAT point, it has to go to itself- it is a "fixed point". If you pick x to be any point in the set and apply the function repeatedly, it must "contract" to that same point as all the points in the set- that sequence, x, f(x), f(f(x)), etc. converges to that fixed point.

Technical point which you may ignore: How do we know the "contractions" don't get smaller and smaller so that the set converges to a non-trivial subset and not to a single point? That's why we need "[itex]\le k(x- y)[/itex] with k< 1[/itex] rather than just "< 1". The contraction can never be less that 1-k.


sara_87 said:
if there was a question like:
a)use the banach fixed point iteration to solve the equation x=1/(2+x^2)
b)show that the assumptions of the banach fixed point theorem on the interval [0,1]

how would i go about solving it?

Let F(x)= 1/(2+ x2). Saying that x= 1/(2+x2) is the same as saying F(x)= x, that is, that x is a fixed point. Choose some reasonable value of x, say x= 0.5. (I "cheated" I did a quick graph of 1/(2+ xx) and y= x to get an estimate of where they cross). Now F(x)= F(0.5)= 1/(2+ 0.25)= 1/2.25= .4444. F(.4444)= 1/(2+ 1.975)= 0.4551. F(0.4551)= 1/(2+ .207)= 0.4531. Keep doing that until you get sufficient accuracy.
 

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