What Does the IPCC Mean by 'Most' in Their Climate Change Reports?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the term "most" as used in the IPCC's Fourth Assessment Report regarding the causes of global temperature increases. Participants explore the implications of this term in the context of climate change, its quantification, and the potential reasons behind the IPCC's choice of language.

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  • One participant questions the lack of a specific definition for "most" in the IPCC report, suggesting it could range from 51% to 90% or more.
  • Another participant argues that the term "most" serves legal purposes, allowing for flexibility in interpretation to avoid potential disputes.
  • A different viewpoint presents a calculation indicating that humans have likely caused about 93% of the warming since 1750, suggesting a high interpretation of "most."
  • Some participants raise the possibility of using CO2 to prevent future ice ages, linking this to historical human influence on climate.
  • Concerns are expressed about the IPCC's failure to quantify "most" similarly to other defined terms like "likely" and "very likely."
  • One participant asserts that "most" could mean anything from 0% to 100%, reflecting a subjective interpretation.
  • Another participant suggests that "most" is generally understood to mean greater than 50%, contrasting it with the IPCC's definition of "very likely" as over 90% probability.

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Participants express differing interpretations of the term "most," with no consensus on its precise meaning. Some argue for a higher threshold (over 90%), while others suggest it could be as low as 51% or even more subjective. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the term in the context of the IPCC's findings.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the term "most" is not defined in the same rigorous manner as other terms in the IPCC report, leading to ambiguity. There are also references to historical climate influences and the potential for human intervention in future climate scenarios, which remain speculative.

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The IPCC and the term "most"

An online "sparring partner" brought up an interesting point during one of our regular (some would say never-ending) climate debates the other day. He asked me for clarity on what the IPCC means by "most" in their Fourth Assessment Report when they say:

"Most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations."

The reports are quite clear in defining quite specific definitions for "very likely," "likely" etc. but there seems to be no attempt at all to quantify the term "most". Does "most" mean 51% or does it mean closer to 90%? Or is it somewhere in between? Maybe most is 71.2% - who knows? Does it matter? Obviously there's a lot of "wiggle room" in this definition, unless it's clarified somewhere in another IPCC document and I have just not looked in the right places.

Any assistance on this would be great. Thanks,

BCO
 
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It doesn't have a specific meaning it's just a summary, it's there for the usual legal wiggle reasons.
if they said "All the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century ...' then some country could come along and say:
- But the temperature rise in one area of Hawaii is due to a volcano erupting, therefore the report contains a false statement, therefore it's all wrong and we can all get new bigger SUVs
 


Since 1750 anthropogenic warming has resulted in
a net positive forcing of +1.6 [+0.6 to +2.4] W m–2.

Over the same time, solar changes have contributed +0.12 [0.06 to 0.3] W m-2.

[1.6]/[1.6+.12] => 93%

So, since 1750, humans have most likely caused about 93% of the warming.

Most of the solar increases occurred prior to 1950 or so and
solar activity is currently very low. So, the amount of
warming from human causes since 1950 maybe greater
than 100%. In other words, there may have been
global cooling since the 1950's without human intervention.
 


Would it be possible to pevent an ice age in the future by deliberately pumping large amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere, or would that not work?
 


Thanks for the answers, both.
 


Count Iblis said:
Would it be possible to pevent an ice age in the future by deliberately pumping large amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere, or would that not work?


Yes; that is essentially what we are doing.

Ruddiman has a paper showing that we humans have actually
been doing that with CH4 and CO2 for several thousand years.

http://earth.geology.yale.edu/~avf5/teaching/Files_pdf/Ruddiman2003.pdf

Not everyone agrees with him, but I suspect he is mostly correct.
 
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Xnn said:
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So, since 1750, humans have most likely caused about 93% of the warming...

This doesn't explain why the IPCC failed to quantify the term "most" in the same manner that they did for "likely" and "very likely" etc.

Would you say that "most" means >90% ?
 


seycyrus said:
This doesn't explain why the IPCC failed to quantify the term "most" in the same manner that they did for "likely" and "very likely" etc.

Would you say that "most" means >90% ?

Not to mention it implies the only two possible causes of warming are solar and man made.
 


It's a quote from a press release of an executive summary.
You could have the entire report totally correct if it was entirely written in lambda calculus but its message might be a little more difficult to follow.
 
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seycyrus said:
This doesn't explain why the IPCC failed to quantify the term "most" in the same manner that they did for "likely" and "very likely" etc.

Would you say that "most" means >90% ?

No; Generally "most" is considered to mean >50%.

Notice the IPCC has defined "very likely" as >90% probability.

Since more than 93% of the warming is manmade, perhaps
the IPCC decided it fair to use the "very likely most" term.

However, it probably could have been equivalently worded:

"Likely the predominate amount of warming since the mid 20th century is man-made."

However, in that case they'd have to define what "most" and "predominate" meant
and they decided it was easier to define the other set of words instead.
 
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"Most" means whatever I would like it to mean. It could be anywhere from 0-100%. Most people agree with this definition.
 

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