Understanding Killing Vector Equation Notation

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The discussion revolves around the notation and implications of the Killing vector equation, specifically the meaning of parentheses in the equation and the correct formulation of the equation itself. Participants explore the symmetrization of indices and the proper handling of tensor components within the context of differential geometry.

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  • One participant asks about the explicit meaning of the parentheses in the Killing vector equation, suggesting it indicates symmetrization.
  • Another participant provides a definition of symmetrization for second-rank tensor components.
  • A correction is made regarding an index mismatch in a proposed expression for the Killing vector equation, indicating that the expression cannot be correct due to the improper use of indices.
  • Further clarification is provided on the correct formulation of the Killing vector equation, with emphasis on the need to lower indices appropriately.
  • One participant acknowledges a mistake in their previous response, attributing it to a copying error.

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Participants express differing views on the correct formulation of the Killing vector equation, with some corrections and clarifications being made, but no consensus is reached on the final expression.

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There are unresolved issues regarding index notation and the implications of symmetrization in the context of the Killing vector equation. The discussion highlights the importance of careful handling of tensor indices in mathematical expressions.

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The killing vector equation reads: ##\nabla_{(\mu K_{\nu}) = 0## What do the parenthesis mean explicitly?
Hi all,

The killing vector equation reads: ##\nabla_{(\mu K_{\nu})} = 0## What do the parenthesis mean explicitly?

Moreover, I know that ##\nabla_\mu x^\nu = \partial_\mu x^\nu+ \Gamma_{\rho \mu}^\nu x^\rho##

So if the parentheses mean symmetric the Killing equation will read:

##\frac{1}{2} ( \partial_\mu k_\nu + \partial_\nu k_\mu) - \Gamma_{\nu \mu}^\rho k^\rho##

Is this correct?
 
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You have mismatched curly braces that are breaking the Latex... you should be able to to edit the post to fix that, but of you are having trouble let me or any of the other mentors know and we can help.
 
I guess, you wanted to write ##\partial_{(\mu} K_{\nu)}## then it usually means "symmetrization", i.e., for 2nd-rank tensor components it means
$$A_{(\mu \nu)}=\frac{1}{2}(A_{\mu \nu}+A_{\nu \mu}).$$
 
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John Greger said:
Summary:: The killing vector equation reads: ##\nabla_{(\mu} K_{\nu)} = 0## What do the parenthesis mean explicitly?

Hi all,

The killing vector equation reads: ##\nabla_{(\mu} K_{\nu)} = 0## What do the parenthesis mean explicitly?

Moreover, I know that ##\nabla_\mu x^\nu = \partial_\mu x^\nu+ \Gamma_{\rho \mu}^\nu x^\rho##
So if the parentheses mean symmetric the Killing equation will read:

##\frac{1}{2} ( \partial_\mu k_\nu + \partial_\nu k_\mu) - \Gamma_{\nu \mu}^\rho k^\rho##

Is this correct?

No, it is not correct, you have an index mismatch since your ##\rho## appears twice as a covariant index. Because of this it cannot be the correct expression. The ##\rho## on the vector component should be lowered. In other words:
$$
\nabla_{(\mu} K_{\nu)} = \frac{1}{2} ( \partial_\mu k_\nu + \partial_\nu k_\mu) - \Gamma_{\nu \mu}^\rho k^\rho = 0.
$$
 
Orodruin said:
In other words:
$$
\nabla_{(\mu} K_{\nu)} = \frac{1}{2} ( \partial_\mu k_\nu + \partial_\nu k_\mu) - \Gamma_{\nu \mu}^\rho k^\rho = 0.
$$
This doesn't seem correct either.
 
Well, isn't
$$\nabla_{\mu} K_{\nu}=\partial_{\mu} K_{\nu} - \Gamma^{\rho}_{\mu \nu} K_{\rho}$$
and then
$$\nabla_{(\mu} K_{\nu)} = \frac{1}{2} (\partial_{\mu} K_{\nu} + \partial_{\nu} K_{\mu}) -\Gamma^{\rho}_{\mu \nu} K_{\rho}?$$
So @Orodruin is right, except that he forgot to lower the index in the last term too :-).
 
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vanhees71 said:
except that he forgot to lower the index in the last term too :-).
The connection between brain and fingers sometimes does not work ... I blame copy-paste.
 
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