What does this proof mean? (variation of high-order derivative)

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The discussion focuses on the concept of variation in high-order derivatives, specifically addressing the equation ##\delta(F^{(n)}) = F^{(n)} - F_0^{(n)} = (F - F_0)^{(n)} = (\delta F)^{(n)}##. Participants clarify that ##F_0## represents the starting point of variation, and the equation illustrates the relationship between the original function and its variation. The conversation also explores the integration of functions and the movement of variations within integrals, emphasizing the local nature of analysis.

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A question in calculus of variation.
I read in one book proving one nature of variation(variation of high-order derivative).
It writes that "##\delta(F^{(n)}) = F^{(n)} - F_0^{(n)} = (F - F_0)^{(n)} = (\delta F)^{(n)}##".
But I don't understand where this ##F_0## comes out from.
 
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Isn't ##F_0## the starting point of the variation?
 
jedishrfu said:
Isn't ##F_0## the starting point of the variation?
Sorry I don't catch you well. Do you mean it is the "starting point"? What would it then mean?
 
When one integrates a function, you might go from x=a to x=b

##\int_a^b f(x)dx = F(x)|_a^b = F(b) - F(a)##

and so it looks like x=a is the ##x_0## and ##F(a) = F_0##
 
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Summary:: A question in calculus of variation.

I read in one book proving one nature of variation(variation of high-order derivative).
It writes that "##\delta(F^{(n)}) = F^{(n)} - F_0^{(n)} = (F - F_0)^{(n)} = (\delta F)^{(n)}##".
But I don't understand where this ##F_0## comes out from.
The right part is understandable. But the left part: ##F^{(n)} - F_0^{(n)} = \delta(F^{(n)})##, does it hold?
 
Isn't that just the definition of a variation?

The key part is the change to ##F^{(n)} - F_0^{(n)} = (F - F_0)^{(n)}##

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Analysis is a local theory. All statements are about a certain local point. In this case we have ##F_0^{(n)}## as point of interest. ##F^{(n)}## is ##F_0^{(n)}## plus a little bit off. This little bit is ##\delta(F^{(n)})##.
 
Another place in this book it writes:
"
## \delta(\int_{x_0}^{x_1}Fdx) = {\partial \over \partial y}(\int_{x_0}^{x_1}Fdx)\delta y + {\partial \over \partial y^\prime}(\int_{x_0}^{x_1}Fdx)\delta y^\prime ##
## = (\int_{x_0}^{x_1}F_y dx)\delta y + (\int_{x_0}^{x_1}F_{y^\prime}dx)\delta y^\prime ##
## = \int_{x_0}^{x_1}(F_y \delta y + F_{y^\prime}\delta y^\prime) dx ##
## = \int_{x_0}^{x_1} \delta F dx ##
"
My question is: how does the third equal sign hold? Aren't ##\delta y## and ##\delta y^\prime## functions of ## x ##, how can they be moved into the integral?
 
To complement, it writes this in front of the above place:

## \delta F = F_y \delta y + F_y^{\prime} \delta y^{\prime}##
 
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Thaiqi: How is your ##\delta## defined?
 
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WWGD said:
Thaiqi: How is your ##\delta## defined?
##\delta ## is the sign of variation. ##\delta y = y(x) - y_0(x) = \epsilon \eta (x)##
 
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