What Does <x^2> Represent in Quantum Mechanics?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the expectation value in quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of comparing classical and quantum results for a particle in an infinite square well. The original poster seeks to understand the significance of and how it relates to the classical expectation values.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the definition and significance of as the average of the position squared, questioning its role in both classical and quantum contexts.
  • Some participants discuss the mathematical necessity of calculating and its relation to standard deviation in probability.
  • Questions arise regarding the application of Bohr's correspondence principle and the discrepancies observed in the expectation values between classical and quantum mechanics.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the mathematical framework for expectation values and their implications. Some have clarified the role of the quantum number n in the calculations, while others are still grappling with the conceptual implications of the results.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the textbook's example may have a hidden quantum number n in the calculations, which could affect the interpretation of the results as n approaches infinity. There is also an acknowledgment of potential typos or misunderstandings in the textbook's presentation of the quantum results.

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Homework Statement


1. What is <x[itex]^{2}[/itex]>, in terms of position and expectation values.
2. How can I use the correspondence principal to explain the quantum vs classical results (below).

My textbook (Serway, Modern Physics) uses <x> as the expectation value, meaning the average position of a particle. It also uses <x[itex]^{2}[/itex]> in one example, and wants me to calculate it. I have calculated it by using the formula for <x>, but have no idea what it represents. The book does not define it, and I can't find it elsewhere.

The problem is to compare my calculated classical <x> and <x[itex]^{2}[/itex]> values vs the books example calculating them for a quantum situation (particle in infinite square well of length L).



Homework Equations


<x> = [itex]\int[/itex]x (1/L)dx from 0 to L

<x[itex]^{2}[/itex]> = = [itex]\int[/itex]x[itex]^{}[/itex] (1/L)dx from 0 to L




The Attempt at a Solution


The probability density (classical) is given as 1/L.
My classical <x> agrees with that of the book's quantum = L/2

My classical <x[itex]^{2}[/itex]> is L[itex]^{2}[/itex]/3 while the book's quantum value is L[itex]^{2}[/itex]/3 -L[itex]^{3}[/itex]/(2 pi[itex]^{2}[/itex]).

I am also to use the correspondence principal to discuss the findings, but I cannot see how the quantum value would be altered (no n factor to increase) as the quantum world approaches the macro.

Thank you for your time.
 
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The expectation value of a function g(X) of a continuous random variable X is given by
[tex]\langle g(x)\rangle = \int g(x) f(x)\,dx[/tex]where f(x) is the probability density function for X.

For the classical case, you have f(x)=1/L, so
\begin{align*}
\langle x \rangle &= \int_0^L x \frac{1}{L}\,dx \\
\langle x^2 \rangle &= \int_0^L x^2 \frac{1}{L}\,dx
\end{align*}
The only difference for the quantum case is that you now have f(x)=|ψ(x)|2.
 
O.k. thank you. I used the equation with x[itex]^{2}[/itex] to arrive at my answer for the <x[itex]^{2}[/itex]> part of the question. So if <x> is the average position, <x[itex]^{2}[/itex]> is just the average of the position squared? I don't seem to understand the reason for the squaring. I assume <x[itex]^{2}[/itex]> means the same thing for the classical and quantum, like <x> = average position, in both.
 
Yes, you got it. As for the reason why you'd calculate <x2>, it's simply because the math calls for it. For example, the characteristic width of the wave function is [itex]\Delta x = \sqrt{\langle (x-\langle x \rangle)^2 \rangle} = \sqrt{\langle x^2 \rangle - \langle x \rangle^2}[/itex]. In plain old probability and statistics, this is how you'd calculate the standard deviation of a random distribution.
 
Great, thanks for the help.

I am still puzzled as to how I can use these results to "discuss" Bohr's correspondence principal. I see the classical and quantum results agree for the <x> value, which makes sense, because in in infinite well they are both forever confined within. However, I cannot explain the discrepancy in the <x[itex]^{2}[/itex]>value. There is no "n" quantum number for me to increase ad thus see what happens as the quantum scale approaches the classical.
 
Did your book calculate the expectation value for a particular value of n? If not, it's a typo. There should be an n in the answer.
 
You are correct, the books quantum expression was for the ground state (n=1).
There was an n in every answer, just hidden as n=1, in the denominator. So as n[itex]\rightarrow[/itex]infinity, both quantum terms go to zero. Thus predicting a zero average position and average position squared. Does this mean the particle is now localized at the origin?
 
That's not correct. In the limit as n goes to infinity, the quantum mechanical result should go to the classical result.
 
I made a mistake in following the n through the books calculations. You are correct, the 2nd term drops out (in the <x^2>, so that it approaches macroscopic reality as n gets large.
 

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