What doesn't have gravitational mass?

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The discussion centers on the concept of gravitational mass, specifically addressing whether anything in the universe lacks it. Participants confirm that both rest mass and relativistic mass are forms of gravitational mass, with energy being a key component. It is established that anything without rest mass must travel at the speed of light, thus possessing relativistic mass. Additionally, the curvature of spacetime, as described in general relativity, plays a crucial role in understanding gravitational effects.

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Is there anything in the universe that doesn't have gravitational mass? My understanding is that both rest mass and "relativistic mass" are gravitational masses, i.e. both are subject to the force of gravity. Further everything must have at least one or the other (if not both). Anything that doesn't have rest mass must move at the speed of light in order to exist in our universe. This in turn gives it a relativistic mass.

Is my reasoning correct? (be gentle:o))
 
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Hi Usaf Moji! :smile:
Usaf Moji said:
Is there anything in the universe that doesn't have gravitational mass? My understanding is that both rest mass and "relativistic mass" are gravitational masses, i.e. both are subject to the force of gravity. Further everything must have at least one or the other (if not both). Anything that doesn't have rest mass must move at the speed of light in order to exist in our universe. This in turn gives it a relativistic mass.

Is my reasoning correct? (be gentle:o))

Yes … energy has mass (or energy is mass), so anything with energy of any sort has gravitational mass.

(Assuming, of course, that gravitational mass and inertial mass are the same. :rolleyes:)

And it's difficult to imagine anything without energy. :smile:
 
In general relativity, the concept of "gravitational mass" is not fundamental. The effects of gravity are described using the curvature of spacetime.

The curvature of spacetime is determined by the stress-energy tensor, whose components at each spacetime point are derived from the energy and momentum density at that point.

I'm not an expert in GR by any means, but I understand from reading various threads here that one can define various kinds of "gravitational mass" for an extended object, depending on which gravitational effects you're interested in. In some cases these do reduce to what we call "relativistic mass" in special relativity, but it is dangerous to use "relativistic mass" blindly as "gravitational mass."
 

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