What exactly does the second derivative represent

In summary, the potential energy surface (PES) is a representation of the energy levels of a molecule and the minima on the PES correspond to stable conformations. The first derivative of the PES, also known as the force, helps locate these minima. The second derivative, or force constant, describes how quickly the first derivative is changing at a particular point, and can be calculated using the Hessian matrix. The interpretation of the second derivative in physical or chemical applications is not clear, but it may correspond to the concept of "jerk" in a physical analogy.
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I'm a visual thinker so I struggle a bit to get my head around calculus concepts. So as an example, here's a potential energy surface:

lets say this represents the structure of a simple molecule like n-propane:
800px-Butane-3D-balls.png

the molecule in the picture is the most stable conformation so the global minimum (the big pit) on the PES represents that conformation. Then the local minimum (the little bit) represents the staggered conformation. If I rotate or stretch the bonds in any other way, then it becomes less stable so the molecules energy will no longer be represented by a minimum on the PES.

I can see how the first derivative will help you locate the minima because the slope will be 0 there. The first derivative of this potential energy surface is called the "force" which makes sense to me because the y-axis represents the potential energy so when the molecule is in a stable conformation, the force which would ordinarily push the molecule into a stable conformation (if it was in an unstable one) is 0. What I'm trying to get my head around now is what the 2nd derivative represents. They call it the "force constant" and I know that in computational chemistry, they'll calculate the "force constant matrix" for a molecule. I'm trying to figure out what that means.
 
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Hey mycotheology.

Mathematically, the 2nd derivative tells you how quickly one particular first derivative is changing. So if for example if the second derivative is negative it means, the first derivative is decreasing and if it's positive, then it means the first derivative is increasing.

In terms of turning points, if you have a minimum, then you expect the appropriate second derivative to be increasing since turning around means that things are "slowing down" and then turning around means that the derivative will keep increasing.

Now in terms of your matrix that you are talking about, I think this is going to refer to what is called the Hessian:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hessian_matrix

Now if you are evaluating a second derivative at a particular turning point, this will tell you how rapidly this first derivative is increasing (if it's a minimum). I don't know about the physical or chemical applications so I won't comment on that.

If you can relate what the interpretation of the rate of change of the first rate of change corresponds to physically (so you say the first derivative corresponds to force which means in a physical analogy, the second derivative would correspond to "jerk" but I don't know if that's really valid), then you can look at the Hessian and see what this one attribute corresponds to with regard to what is contained in the derivative expressions.
 

What is the definition of the second derivative?

The second derivative is the rate of change of the slope of a function. It measures how the rate of change of a function is changing at a particular point.

How is the second derivative calculated?

The second derivative is calculated by taking the derivative of the first derivative. This can be done using the power rule, product rule, or quotient rule depending on the form of the function.

What does a positive or negative second derivative indicate?

A positive second derivative indicates that the slope of the function is increasing, while a negative second derivative indicates that the slope of the function is decreasing. This can also be interpreted as the function being concave up or concave down, respectively.

What is the physical interpretation of the second derivative?

The physical interpretation of the second derivative depends on the context of the problem. In general, it can represent acceleration, curvature, or rate of change of acceleration or curvature.

How is the second derivative used in mathematical applications?

The second derivative is used to find extreme values, inflection points, and to determine the behavior of a function. It is also used in optimization problems, such as finding the maximum or minimum value of a function.

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