News What Exactly Is Happening In the Arab/Persian World?

[turbo]

The Supreme Council is expected to fire Mubarak's cabinet and suspend parliament. We will have to see what kind of promises they make (and keep) regarding an orderly transition to democracy and holding free and fair elections.

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/02/11/137235.html

 

[Gokul43201]

Somewhere up thread there was a suggestion/claim that there is little or no connection between the Moslem Brotherhood and Al Qaeda. There is at least Ayman "doctor" al Zawahiri, AQ #2, http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/01/30/zawahiri.transcript/"

I may be thinking of the wrong post here (can you show which one you're talking about?), but I believe the claim was that MB publicly denounces AQ, which is a statement of fact. That the present leadership of AQ includes former members of the MB says what exactly?

That former, or even active, members of the US Military are found among the membership of Aryan Nations, or the Black Liberation Army, or the KKK doesn't imply that the military supports these organizations.

From the MB website:

http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=25603
http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=27986
http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=27062

 

[Borg]

He finally saw the hieroglyphics on the wall.

 

[WhoWee]

He finally saw the hieroglyphics on the wall.

You prompted me to take a look at the list of Rulers over the years - there's been quite a few:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rulers_of_Egypt

"[edit] Pharaonic Dynasties (3100 BC – 30 BC)Main article: List of pharaohs
During the period of Achaemenid (Persian) rule and Argead (Hellenistic) rule, Egypt was governed by a series of satraps.[1]

[edit] Roman Province (30 BC – 323 AD)Main articles: List of Roman Emperors and List of governors of Roman Egypt
[edit] Byzantine Diocese (323 – 640)[edit] Byzantine First Period# Governor Start End Governor Title Destiny
1 Julius Julianus No Picture Available 328 ؟؟؟ -
2 Tariq Rana No Picture Available 329 ؟؟؟ -
3 Magntianus No Picture Available 330 ؟؟؟ -
4 Florintius No Picture Available 331 ؟؟؟ -
5 Heginus No Picture Available 332 333 -
6 Patirius No Picture Available 333 334 -
7 Flavius Filagrius No Picture Available 334 337
8 Flavius Anthonius Tudurus No Picture Available 337 ؟؟؟ -
9 Flavius Felagrius No Picture Available 338 340 -
10 Longinus No Picture Available 341 343 -
11 Paladius No Picture Available 344 345 -
12 Nesturius No Picture Available 345 ؟؟؟ -
13 Sebastianus No Picture Available 352 354 -
14 Maximus No Picture Available 355 356 -
15 Catafronius No Picture Available 356 357 -
16 Hermoginus Parnasius No Picture Available 357 359 -
17 nanucha No Picture Available 359 359 -
18 Faustinus No Picture Available 359 361 -
19 Gerontius No Picture Available 361 362 -
20 Icdicius Olympus No Picture Available 362 363 -
21 Herius No Picture Available 364 364 -
22 Maximus No Picture Available 364 364 -
23 Flavianus No Picture Available 364 366 -
24 Procolitianus No Picture Available 366 367 -
25 Flavius Itulimius No Picture Available 367 370 -
26 Olympus Paladius No Picture Available 370 371 -
27 Elius Paladius No Picture Available 371 374 -
28 Hadrianus No Picture Available 379 380 -
29 Julius Julianus No Picture Available 380 382 -
30 Paladius No Picture Available 382 383 -
31 Hebatius No Picture Available 383 383 -
32 Anthonius No Picture Available 383 384 -
33 Optatus No Picture Available 384 384 -
34 Florintius No Picture Available 384 386 -
35 Euzipius No Picture Available 386 386 -
36 Paulinus No Picture Available 386 387 -
37 Flavius Olpius Artherius No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
38 Tudurus No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
39 Flurus No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
40 Alexander No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
41 Poethus No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
42 Anthimius No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
43 Theoctisius No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
44 Theognostus No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
45 Pergamius No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
46 Apolonius No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
47 Arsinius No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
48 Eustathius No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
49 Neodusius No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
50 Deoscurus No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
51 Rudun No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
52 Liberius No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
53 Alexander No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
54 Evagrius No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
55 Hebatius No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
56 Potamius No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
57 Evagrius No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
58 Genadius No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
59 Remegius No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
60 Archilaus No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
61 Pentadius No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
62 Pothalius No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
63 Aurestus No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
64 Calistus No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
65 Cleopatar No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
66 Carmosinus No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
67 John Laxarion No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
68 Hefastus No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
69 Germanus Gestinius No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
70 John No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
71 Paulus No Picture Available ؟؟؟ ؟؟؟ -
[edit] Sassanian Occupation# King Start End Governor Title Destiny
1 Khosrau II 618 628 Shah Murdered
2 Kavadh II 628 628 Shah Murdered
[edit] Byzantine Second Period# King Start End Governor Title Destiny
72 John No Picture Available 628 ? -
73 Costantinus No Picture Available ? ? -
74 Menas No Picture Available ? ? -
75 Petrus Gestinius No Picture Available ? ? -
76 John No Picture Available ? ? -
77 Nectias No Picture Available ? ? -
78 Cyrus of Alexandria No Picture Available 630s 630s Patriarch and Pope Recalled by The Emperor
78 Theodurus No Picture Available 630s 630s -
79 Cyrus of Alexandria No Picture Available 630s 640 Patriarch and Pope Surrendered To Caliphate
[edit] The Rashidun Caliphs Era (640-658)# Governor Start End Period Governor Title Destiny
1 Amr Ibn Al-Aas No Picture Available 640 646 6 years Amir Secluded by Uthman Ibn Affan
2 Abdullah Ibn Sa'ad No Picture Available 646 656 10 years Amir Overthrown by Muhammad Ibn Huzayfa
3 Muhammad Ibn Abi Huzayfa No Picture Available 656 657 1 year Amir Killed
4 Qays Ibn Sa'ad No Picture Available 657 657 6 Months Amir Secluded
5 Malik Ibn Al-Harith No Picture Available 657 657 1 Day Amir Died before reaching Al-Fustat
6 Muhammad ibn Abi Bakr No Picture Available 658 658 5 Months Amir Killed
[edit] Umayyad Empire Era (659-750)# Governor Start End Governor Title Destiny
1 Amr ibn al-Aas 659 664 Wali -
2 Utba ibn Abi Suffyan Ibn Harb 664 665 Wali Died
3 Oquba ibn Amir al-Gahny 665 667 Wali Unseated
4 Muslima ibn Makhlad al-Ansari 667 682 Wali -
5 Sa'id ibn Yazid ibn al-Qama al-Azdi 682 684 Wali Unseated
6 Abd al-Rahman ibn Utba ibn Gahdam al-Fihri 684 684 Wali Unseated
7 Abd al-Aziz ibn Marwan ibn al-Hakam 685 705 Wali -
8 Abdullah ibn Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan ibn al-Hakam 705 709 Wali Unseated
9 Qurra Ibn Sharik al-Absi 709 714 Wali -
10 Abd al-Malik ibn Rifa'a al-Fahmi 714 717 Wali Unseated
11 Ayyub ibn Sharhabil 717 720 Wali -
12 Bishr ibn Safwan al-Kalbi 720 721 Wali Became The Wali of Africa
13 Handhala ibn Safwan al-Kalbi 721 724 Wali -
14 Muhammad ibn Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan 724 724 Wali Ran away after an epidemic
15 Al-Hurr ibn Yusuf 724 727 Wali Died
16 Abd al-Malik ibn Rifa'a al-Fahmi 727 727 Wali -
17 Al-Walid ibn Rifa'a ibn Thabit al-Fahmi 727 735 Wali Unseated
18 Abd al-Rahman ibn Khalid al-Fahmi 735 737 Wali Unseated
19 Handhala ibn Safwan al-Kalbi 737 741 Wali Became The Wali of Africa
20 Hafs ibn al-Walid ibn Yusuf al-Hadrami 741 744 Wali Asked to be unseated
21 Hasan ibn Atahiya 744 744 Wali Ran away
22 Hafs ibn al-Walid ibn Yusuf al-Hadrami 744 745 Wali -
23 Al-Hawthala ibn Sohayl al-Bahili 745 749 Wali Unseated
24 Al-Mughira ibn Unayd al-Fazari 749 749 Wali Died
25 Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan Musa ibn Nussayr 749 749 Wali Unseated by the Abbasids
[edit] Abbasid Empire Era (750-969)[edit] The First Abbasid Period Rulers (750-868)# Governor Start End Period Governor Title Destiny
1 Saleh Ibn Ali Ibn Abullah Ibn Al-Abbas 750 751 1 year Wali Became the wali of Palestine
2 Abu Oun Abdel Malek Ibn Yazeed 751 753 2 years Wali Ran away after an epidemic
3 Saleh Ibn Ali Ibn Abullah Ibn Al-Abbas 753 755 2 years Wali Unseated
4 Abu Oun Abdel Malek Ibn Yazeed 755 758 3 years Wali Unseated
5 Moussa Ibn Ka'ab Oyayna 758 759 1 year Wali Unseated
6 Mohammed Ibn Al-Ash'ath Al-Khozaey 759 760 1 year Wali Unseated
7 Homayd Ibn Qohayta 760 762 2 years Wali Unseated
8 Yazeed Ibn Hatem Al-Mohobaly 762 768 6 years Wali Unseated
9 Abdullah Ibn Abdel Rahman Ibn Mo'awya 768 772 4 years Wali -
10 Mohammed Ibn Abdel Rahman Ibn Mo'awya 772 772 8 Months Wali Died
11 Moussa Ibn Ali Ibn Rabah Al-Lakhmy 772 778 6 years Wali -
12 Essa Ibn Loqman Al-Gamhy 778 779 4 Months Wali Unseated
13 Wadeh 779 779 4 Months Wali Unseated
14 Mansour Ibn Yazeed Ibn Mansour Al-Roayny 779 779 2 Months Wali Unseated
15 Yahia Ibn Dawood Al-Harshy 779 780 1 year Wali Unseated
16 Salem Ibn Sawada Al-Tamemy 780 781 1 year Wali Unseated
17 Ibrahim Ibn Saleh Ibn Abdullah Ibn Al-Abbas 781 784 3 years Wali Unseated
18 Moussa Ibn Sa'ab Al-Khasamy 784 785 1 year Wali Killed
19 Osama Ibn Amr Al-Moafery 785 785 2 Months Wali Unseated
20 Al-Fadl Ibn Saleh Ibn Ali Al-Abbasy 785 786 1 year Wali Unseated
21 Ali Ibn Salman Al-Abbasy 786 787 1 year Wali Unseated by the new Abbasid wali
22 Moussa Ibn Essa Ibn Moussa Al-Abbasy 787 789 2 years Wali Unseated
23 Moslama Ibn Yahia Al-Bagly 789 790 1 year Wali Unseated
24 Mohammed Ibn Zohair Al-Azdy 790 790 Less Than A Year Wali Unseated
25 Dawood Ibn Yazeed Al-Mahlaby 790 791 1 years Wali Unseated
26 Moussa Ibn Essa Ibn Moussa Al-Abbasy 791 792 1 years Wali Unseated
27 Ibrahim Ibn Saleh Ibn Abdullah Ibn Al-Abbas 792 792 Less Than A Year Wali Unseated
28 Abdullah Ibn Al-Maseeb Ibn Zohair Al-Dabii 792 793 1 year Wali Unseated
29 Isak Ibn Souliman 793 794 1 year Wali Unseated
30 Harthama Ibn Aayoun 794 795 1 year Wali Became the wali of Africa
31 Abdel Malek Ibn Saleh Ibn Ali Al-Abbasy 795 795 Less Than A Year Wali -
32 Abdullah Ibn Al-Maseeb Al-Abbasy 795 795 10 Months Wali Unseated
33 Abdullah Ibn Al-Mahdy Al-Abbasy 795 795 Less Than A Year Wali Unseated
34 Moussa Ibn Essa Ibn Moussa Al-Abbasy 795 796 1 year Wali Unseated
35 Abdullah Ibn Al-Mahdy Al-Abbasy 796 797 1 year Wali Unseated
36 Ismael Ibn Saleh Al-Abbasy 797 798 1 year Wali Unseated
37 Ismael Ibn Essa Al-Abbasy 798 798 Less Than A Year Wali Unseated
38 Al-Layth Ibn Al-Fadl 798 803 5 years Wali Unseated
39 Ahmed Ibn Ismael Ibn Ali Ibn Abdullah Al-Abbasy 803 805 2 years Wali Unseated
40 Abdullah Ibn Mohammed Al-Abbasy 805 806 1 year Wali Unseated
41 Al-Hussain Ibn Jameel 806 808 2 years Wali Unseated
42 Malek Ibn Dalham Al-Kalby 808 808 9 Months Wali Unseated
43 Al-Hasan Ibn Al-Takhtakh 809 809 11 Months Wali Unseated
44 Hatem Ibn Harthama Ibn Aayoun 810 811 1 year Wali Unseated
45 Gaber Ibn Al-Asha'ath Al-Ta'ey 811 812 2 years Wali Beaten off from Egypt
46 Abbad Ibn Mohammed Ibn Hayan 812 813 Less Than A Year Wali Unseated
47 Al-Mottaleb Ibn Abdullah Al-Khozaey 813 814 Less Than A Year Wali Unseated
48 Al-Abbas Ibn Moussa Ibn Essa Al-Abbasy 814 814 Less Than A Year Wali -
49 Al-Mottaleb Ibn Abdullah Al-Khozaey 814 815 Less Than A Year Wali Beaten off from Egypt
50 Al-Serry Ibn Al-Hakam 815 816 6 Months Wali Soldiers revolted against him
51 Suliman Ibn Ghaleb Ibn Gabriel Al-Bagly 816 817 5 Months Wali Soldiers revolted against him
52 Al-Serry Ibn Al-Hakam 817 820 3 years Wali -
53 Abu Al-Nasr Ibn Al-Serry 820 822 2 years Wali -
54 Obaid Allah Ibn Al-Serry 822 825 3 years Wali Unseated by the new wali
55 Khaled Ibn Yazeed Ibn Mazeed Al-Shebany 825 826 Less Than A Year Wali -
56 Abdullah Ibn Taher Ibn Al-Houssain 826 827 Less Than A Year Wali -
57 Essa Ibn Yazeed Al-Geloudy 827 829 2 years Wali -
58 Omair Ibn Al-Waleed 829 829 60 Days Wali Killed
59 Mohammed Ibn Omair 829 829 1 Month Wali -
60 Essa Ibn Yazeed Al-Geloudy 829 830 Less Than A Year Wali -
61 Abdoweya Ibn Gabala 830 831 Less Than A Year Wali Unseated
62 Essa Ibn Mansour 831 832 Less Than A Year Wali Unseated by the new wali
63 Kider Nasr Ibn Abdullah 832 834 2 years Wali -
64 Mozaffar Ibn Kider 834 834 4 Months Wali -
65 Moussa Ibn Abu Al-Abbas 834 839 5 years Wali -
66 Malek Ibn Kider 839 841 2 years Wali -
67 Ali Ibn Yahia Al-Armany 841 843 2 years Wali -
68 Essa Ibn Mansour 843 847 4 years Wali -
69 Harthama Ibn al-Nadr Al-Gabaly 848 849 Less Than A Year Wali -
70 Hatem Ibn Harthama Ibn al-Nadr 849 849 1 Month Wali -
71 Ali Ibn Yahia Al-Armany 849 850 Less Than A Year Wali Unseated
72 Isak Ibn Yahia Ibn Moaz 850 851 Less Than A Year Wali -
73 Khaot Abel Wahed Ibn Yahia 851 852 Less Than A Year Wali -
74 Anbasa Ibn Isak Al-Dabii 852 856 4 years Wali -
75 Yazeed Ibn Abdullah Al-Tourky 856 867 Less Than A Year Wali -
76 Mozahem Ibn Khaqan 867 868 Less Than A Year Wali -
77 Ahmed Ibn Mozahem Ibn Khaqan 868 868 Less Than A Year Wali -
78 Azgour Al Tourky 868 868 Less Than A Year Wali -
[edit] Tulunids Dynasty (868-905)# Governor Start End Period Governor Title Destiny
1 Ahmad ibn Tulun No Picture Available 868 884 16 years Amir Died
2 Khumarawaih No Picture Available 884 896 12 years Amir Murdered
3 Abu l-Ashir No Picture Available 896 896 1 year Amir Unseated then died in jail
4 Harun No Picture Available 896 904 9 years Amir Murdered
5 Shaiban No Picture Available 904 905 1 year Amir left
[edit] The Second Abbasid Period Rulers (905-935)# Governor Start End Period Governor Title Destiny
1 Saleh Ibn Ali Ibn Abullah Ibn Al-Abbas ؟؟؟؟ ؟؟؟؟ - Wali -
2 Abu Oun Abdel Malek Ibn Yazeed ؟؟؟؟ ؟؟؟؟ - Wali -
3 Saleh Ibn Ali Ibn Abullah Ibn Al-Abbas ؟؟؟؟ ؟؟؟؟ - Wali -
4 Abu Oun Abdel Malek Ibn Yazeed ؟؟؟؟ ؟؟؟؟ - Wali -
5 Moussa Ibn Ka'ab Oyayna ؟؟؟؟ ؟؟؟؟ - Wali -
6 Mohammed Ibn Al-Ash'ath Al-Khozaey ؟؟؟؟ ؟؟؟؟ - Wali -
7 Homayd Ibn Qohayta ؟؟؟؟ ؟؟؟؟ - Wali -
8 Yazeed Ibn Hatem Al-Mohobaly ؟؟؟؟ ؟؟؟؟ - Wali -
9 Abdullah Ibn Abdel Rahman Ibn Mo'awya ؟؟؟؟ ؟؟؟؟ - Wali -
10 Mohammed Ibn Abdel Rahman Ibn Mo'awya
204 279
- Wali -
[edit] Ikhshidid Dynasty (935-969)# Governor Start End Period Governor Title Destiny
1 Muhammad bin Tughj Al-Ikhshid No Picture Available 935 946 11 years Emir Died
2 Abul Qasim Ungur Bin Ikhshid No Picture Available 946 961 15 years Emir Died
3 Abul Hassan Ali Bin Ikhshidid No Picture Available 961 966 5 years Emir Died
4 Abul Misk Kafur (slave from Ethiopia) No Picture Available 966 968 2 years Emir Died
5 Abul Fawares Ahmed Bin Ikhshidid No Picture Available 968 969 1 year Emir Fatimids unseated him
[edit] The Fatimids Era (969-1171)# Governor Start End Governor Title Destiny
1 Gawhar Al-Siqilli 969 973 Emir -
2 Al-Muizz Lideenillah 973 975 Caliph -
3 Al-Aziz Leideinallah 975 997 Caliph -
4 Al-Hakim Biamrallah 997 1020 Caliph Disappeared
5 Al-Zahir Lazazdinallah 1020 1036 Caliph -
6 Al-Mustansir Biallah 1036 1094 Caliph -
7 Al-Mustali Biallah 1094 1102 Caliph -
8 Al-Amir Biahkamallah 1102 1131 Caliph Killed
9 Al-Hafiz Ledeinallah 1131 1150 Caliph -
10 Al-Zafir Biamrallah 1150 1154 Caliph Killed
11 Al-Faiz Binasrallah 1154 1160 Caliph -
12 Al-Adid Ledeinallah 1160 1171 Caliph Unseated by Saladin
[edit] The Ayyubid Era (1171-1252)# Governor Start End Period Governor Title Destiny
1 Salāh-ud-Din Yūsuf ibn Ayyūb 1171 1193 22 years Sultan Died
2 Al-Aziz No Picture Available 1193 1198 5 years Sultan -
3 Nasir al-Din Muhammed No Picture Available 1198 1200 2 years Sultan -
4 Al-Adil I No Picture Available 1200 1218 18 years Sultan Died
5 Al-Kamil 1218 1238 20 years Sultan Died
6 Al-Adil II No Picture Available 1238 1240 2 years Sultan -
7 As-Salih Ayyub No Picture Available 1240 1249 9 years Sultan Died
8 Turanshah No Picture Available 1249 1250 1 year Sultan Assassinated
* Shajar al-Durr No Picture Available 1250 1250 80 days Sultana Abdicated to Aybak
9 Al-Ashraf Musa No Picture Available 1250 1252 2 years Co-sultan with Aybak Dethroned / custody

* Shajar al-Durr widow of As-Salih Ayyub ruled as sultana after the assassination of Turanshah.

[edit] The Mamluks Era (1250-1517)[edit] Bahri Mamluks (1250-1382)# Governor Start End Governor Title Destiny Picture
1 Izz al-Din Aybak 1250 1257 Sultan Assassinated No image available
2 al-Mansur Nour al-Din Ali 1257 1259 Sultan Dethroned No image available
3 al-Muzafar Seif al-Din Qutuz 1259 1260 Sultan Assassinated No image available
4 al-Zahir Rukn al-Din Baibars al-Bunduqdari 1260 1277 Sultan Died 200px
5 al-Said Nasir al-Din Barakah 1277 1279 Sultan Resigned No image available
6 al-Adel Badr al-Din Solamish 1279 1279 Sultan Dethroned No image available
7 al-Mansour Seif al-Din Qalawun 1279 1290 Sultan Died No image available
8 al-Ashraf Salah al-Din Khalil 1290 1293 Sultan Assassinated No image available
9 al-Nasir Nasir al-Din Mohamed Ben Qalawun (first reign) 1293 1294 Sultan Dethroned No image available
10 al-Adil Zein al-Din Katubgha 1294 1296 Sultan Escaped No image available
11 al-Mansour Hossam al-Din Lajin 1296 1299 Sultan Assassinated No image available
12 al-Nasir Nasir al-Din Mohamed Ben Qalawun (second reign) 1299 1309 Sultan Resigned No image available
13 al-Muzafar Rukn al-Din Baibars al-Jashnakir 1309 1309 Sultan Executed No image available
14 al-Nasir Nasir al-Din Mohamed Ben Qalawun (third reign) 1309 1340 Sultan Died No image available
15 al-Mansour Saif al-Din Abu Bakr 1340 1341 Sultan Dethroned No image available
16 al-Ashraf Ala'a al-Din Kujuk 1341 1342 Sultan Dethroned No image available
17 al-Nasir Shihab al-Din Ahmad 1342 1342 Sultan Dethroned No image available
18 al-Salih Imad al-Din Abu Ismail 1342 1345 Sultan Died No image available
19 al-Kamil Seif al-Din Shaban 1345 1346 Sultan Killed No image available
20 al-Muzafar Zein al-Din Hagi 1346 1347 Sultan Killed No image available
21 al-Nasir Badr al-Din Abu al-Ma'aly al-Hassan 1347 1351 Sultan Dethroned No image available
22 al-Salih Salah al-Din Ben Mohamed 1351 1354 Sultan custody No image available
23 al-Nasir Badr al-Din Abu al-Ma'aly al-Hassan 1354 1361 Sultan disappeared /prob. Killed No image available
24 al-Mansur Salah al-Din Mohamed Ben Hagi 1361 1363 Sultan Dethroned for insanity No image available
25 al-Ashraf Zein al-Din Abu al-Ma'ali 1363 1376 Sultan Executed No image available
26 al-Mansur Ali Ben al-Ashraf Shaban 1376 1381 Sultan Died in epidemic No image available
27 al-Salih Salah Zein al-Din Hagi 1381 1382 Sultan Resigned No image available
[edit] Burji Mamluks (1382-1517)# Name Start End Governor Title Destiny
1 Barquq 1382 1399 Sultan Died
2 Faraj bin Barquq 1st reign 1399 1405 Sultan Escaped
3 Abdul Aziz bin Barquq 1405 Sultan Died in custody
2 Faraj bin Barquq 2nd reign 1405 1412 Sultan Dethroned / Killed
4 Al-Adil Al-Musta'in Billah 1412 Abbasid Caliph Deposed
6 Tatar I 1412 1421 Sultan Died
7 al-Muzafar Abu al-Saadat Ahmad 1421 Sultan Dethroned
8 Tatar II Sultan Died
9 as-Salih Nasir-ad-Din Muhammad 1421 1422 Sultan Dethroned
10 Barsbay 1421 1438 Sultan Died
11 Jamal ad-Din Yusuf 1438 Sultan Dethroned
12 Jaqmaq 1438 1453 Sultan Dethroned
13 Fakhr-ad-Din Uthman 1453 Sultan Dethroned
14 Inal 1453 1460 Sultan Resigned due to illness and died
15 al-Mu'aid Shihab ud-Din Ahmed 1460 1461 Sultan Dethroned
16 Khushqadam 1461 1467 Sultan Died
17 Bilbay 1467 1467 Sultan Dethroned and died in custody
18 Timurbugha 1467 1468 Sultan Dethroned
19 al-Ashraf Qaitbay 1468 1496 Sultan Abdicated to his son
20 al-Nasir Abu al-Sa'adat Muhammad 1st reign 1496 1497 Sultan Deposed
21 Qansuh Khumsama'ah 1497 1498 Sultan Escaped and disappeared
20 al-Nasir Abu al-Sa'adat Muhammad 2nd reign 1496 1498 Sultan Assassinated
22 az-Zahir Qansuh al-Ashrafi 1498 1500 Sultan Abdicated
23 al-Ashraf Janbalat 1500 1501 Sultan Dethroned
24 Tuman bay I 1501 1501 Sultan Deposed and executed
25 Al-Ashraf Qansuh al-Ghawri 1501 1516 Sultan Killed in Battle of Marj Dabiq
26 Tuman bay II 1516 1517 Sultan Executed by Selim I of Turkey
[edit] Ottoman Dynasty (1517 – 1805)Main article: List of Ottoman Wālis of Egypt
[edit] Muhammad Ali Dynasty (1805 – 1953)Main article: List of monarchs of the Muhammad Ali Dynasty
[edit] Republic (1953 – present)Main article: List of Presidents of Egypt"

 

[dlgoff]

I hope this spreads to other middle east countries and let's out money talk. Thank god for our relationship with the Egyptian army. IMO

 

[Proton Soup]

I know, there’s some trouble with the access. It works now though, and here’s a http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ar&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.islamonline.net%2Far%2FIOLArticle_C%2F1278407438955%2F1278406720653%2FIOLArticle_C" and in case this doesn’t work either, here’s a picture of the first paragraphs:

(The translation is not 'perfect', but enough to get the overall message...)

i knew the israelis wanted nile water, but wasn't aware of the egyptian gas.

Yes, world politics is not a kindergarten of "Peace, Love & Understanding", money rules and if you have to play with the devil to get the dough – you play with the devil.

You are smart, but I really don’t understand in what way the world would be better by yet another religious dictatorship in control of a large army? In what way would the world be better if Hamas get advanced heavy military equipment from "the brothers" in Egypt? In what way would the world be better if MB gets in power and the first thing they do is canceling the peace treaty with Israel?

I don’t understand how this could be a good thing...??

you're assuming a religious dictatorship. which is some of what i think that article is talking about, the US and Israel using MB as a "scarecrow" to maintain their own dictatorship in the form of (the former) Mubarak. you don't know, and neither do i, that hamas would get advanced heavy military equipment. or what it might mean to renegotiate terms with israel. israel has been committing some serious crimes on the palestinians, and maybe a change of status with egypt would encourage them to find peace there and the 2-state solution that the US has claimed to support. they certainly don't feel any pressure from us.

 

[dlgoff]

You prompted me to take a look at the list of Rulers over the years - there's been quite a few:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rulers_of_Egypt

holey crap. That's a lot to take on. I think I'll wait and see what happens in this situation.

 

[Evo]

Wow WhoWee, ruling egypt for the last 2 thousand years was short lived and dangerous. Seems there was no lack of people willing to give it a shot though.

 

[WhoWee]

Wow WhoWee, ruling egypt for the last 2 thousand years was short lived and dangerous. Seemes there was no lack of people willing to give it a shot though.

How would you like this to be your legacy?

"Abu Oun Abdel Malek Ibn Yazeed 751 753 2 years Wali Ran away after an epidemic"

 

[Evo]

how would you like this to be your legacy?

"abu oun abdel malek ibn yazeed 751 753 2 years wali ran away after an epidemic"

lol.

 

[Astronuc]

So Mubarak steps down.

 

[WhoWee]

So Mubarak steps down.

Now what?

 

[Astronuc]

We wait - and let the Egyptians decide what course to take, i.e., let them sort out their affairs. Hopefully the ministries and businesses will function, and the Egyptian People's Assembly will decide a course and make plans for elections. Presumably there is some order of succession, but apparently Omar Suleiman is also not acceptable to the protesters.

http://www.egypt.gov.eg/english/default.aspx

Statement of the Vice President of the Republic

Citizens,

In these difficult times President Mohamed Hosni Mubarak has decided to relinquish the presidency of the Republic, and charged the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces with the governance of the nation.

Peace Be Upon You and God’s Mercy and Blessings.

Egyptian Vice President Omar Suleiman has met previously with opposition groups, and perhaps he will meet again to decide on a direction for the nation. I would imagine they now have to consider early elections, unless they can choose a new president who is acceptable to the people.


I guess it's time I visit Egypt.

 

[WhoWee]

I guess it's time I visit Egypt.

Not on my current "to do" list.

 

[nismaratwork]

We wait - and let the Egyptians decide what course to take, i.e., let them sort out their affairs. Hopefully the ministries and businesses will function, and the Egyptian People's Assembly will decide a course and make plans for elections. Presumably there is some order of succession, but apparently Omar Suleiman is also not acceptable to the protesters.

http://www.egypt.gov.eg/english/default.aspx



Egyptian Vice President Omar Suleiman has met previously with opposition groups, and perhaps he will meet again to decide on a direction for the nation. I would imagine they now have to consider early elections, unless they can choose a new president who is acceptable to the people.


I guess it's time I visit Egypt.

It sounds like they may be considering elections as early as August according to the BBC via NPR, and September at the latest. I'm just concerned that when the dust settles, people are going to feel lost. This reminds me uncomfortably of the fate of many a Roman Colinia, say, Londinium... I hope (no offense man) that WhoWee is dead wrong and the Egyptian people continue to surprise us. What I expect is that reality setting in, going back to the daily grind, is going to be hard for people. In the meantime, Algiers is firing up protests, and one theme in all of this is anti-Israeli.

It would be a shame to see a largely peaceful revolution lead to the revocation of such a crucial treaty for the region.

Oh yeah, and if you're serious about visiting Egypt, you're crazy in a way I like and respect, and please take lots of pictures!

 

[Proton Soup]

It sounds like they may be considering elections as early as August according to the BBC via NPR, and September at the latest.

remember to vote early and vote often!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4HBUKkXyIc

 

[nismaratwork]

remember to vote early and vote often!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4HBUKkXyIc

Oh yeah, hence my trepidation that the military might try to retain their privileges through similar means. By the same token, it would take a monumental ego or vast stupidity to seriously rig new elections. I suspect there will be a great deal of monitoring by media and international organization, both western and other. If the people of Egypt are cheated by their transitional government, I think the result would be that the military and the people would be at odds. GOK how that turns out.

 

[Proton Soup]

Oh yeah, hence my trepidation that the military might try to retain their privileges through similar means. By the same token, it would take a monumental ego or vast stupidity to seriously rig new elections. I suspect there will be a great deal of monitoring by media and international organization, both western and other. If the people of Egypt are cheated by their transitional government, I think the result would be that the military and the people would be at odds. GOK how that turns out.

i'm sure they will get lots of volunteers. i just hope they don't fall for something stupid like accepting a gift of electronic voting machines...

 

[nismaratwork]

i'm sure they will get lots of volunteers. i just hope they don't fall for something stupid like accepting a gift of electronic voting machines...

Yeah... I'm so thrilled that the same guys who can't make a decent ATM are in charge of our vote... and no receipt, even thug it would make perfect sense. Then again, we're the ones leading the world in democracy right, so... maybe Diebold can do business with the Egyptian military.

 

[WhoWee]

It sounds like they may be considering elections as early as August according to the BBC via NPR, and September at the latest. I'm just concerned that when the dust settles, people are going to feel lost. This reminds me uncomfortably of the fate of many a Roman Colinia, say, Londinium... I hope (no offense man) that WhoWee is dead wrong and the Egyptian people continue to surprise us. What I expect is that reality setting in, going back to the daily grind, is going to be hard for people. In the meantime, Algiers is firing up protests, and one theme in all of this is anti-Israeli.

It would be a shame to see a largely peaceful revolution lead to the revocation of such a crucial treaty for the region.

Oh yeah, and if you're serious about visiting Egypt, you're crazy in a way I like and respect, and please take lots of pictures!

I'm sure the reality of the daily grind will be a problem. If 33% of the people were unemployed before this - 35% might be unemployed now? In spite of Mubarak's promise to Government workers to raise wages 15% - the economy is flat. Astronuc aside, I doubt if tourism is going to be real strong over the next 6 months.

The reality is that neither the military or any new elected officials are going to create 20 million jobs. Job creation will have to come from the business sector.

However, there is one more possibility. If a radical group were to organize a strategy of seizing private industry and "sharing" it with the people - might they not be swept into power? In such a situation, only the military could prevent a massive re-distribution of wealth. Unfortunately, I'm not sure the military would be motivated enough to intervene - might look at it as problem solved?

 

[klimatos]

but apparently Omar Suleiman is also not acceptable to the protesters. I guess it's time I visit Egypt.

The Egyptian people are not particularly fond of their police, and the secret-police are particularly detested. Omar Suleiman was and is head of those secret police. Many Egyptians believe he has strong ties to our CIA.

I lived in Egypt for three years and have been back many times since. Please do visit Egypt. It is safer than many popular vacation destinations (I am thinking particularly of those many Caribbean island beaches ringed by armed guards). You will find few places where your tourist dollar goes as far. Two year ago I rented a modern, fully-furnished, three-bedroom flat on the Valley of the Kings side of the Nile in Luxor for $300 a week. Five-star Nile cruises run a bit over $100 per person per day--and that includes four meals, 24/7 English-speaking guides, and all admissions to temples and museums. My last stateroom was about 240 square feet. I have stayed in much smaller motel rooms for a lot more money.

You have seen the Egyptian people on TV. Do they look threatening to you?

 

[turbo]

The Egyptian people are not particularly fond of their police, and the secret-police are particularly detested. Omar Suleiman was and is head of those secret police. Many Egyptians believe he has strong ties to our CIA.

I lived in Egypt for three years and have been back many times since. Please do visit Egypt. It is safer than many popular vacation destinations (I am thinking particularly of those many Caribbean island beaches ringed by armed guards). You will find few places where your tourist dollar goes as far. Two year ago I rented a modern, fully-furnished, three-bedroom flat on the Valley of the Kings side of the Nile in Luxor for $300 a week. Five-star Nile cruises run a bit over $100 per person per day--and that includes four meals, 24/7 English-speaking guides, and all admissions to temples and museums. My last stateroom was about 240 square feet. I have stayed in much smaller motel rooms for a lot more money.

You have seen the Egyptian people on TV. Do they look threatening to you?

Thank you for the fresh air, klimatos! The common Egyptian people shown on live feeds seemed decent, sincere, and peaceful. The days and nights when they were confronted by policemen in plain-clothes and hired thugs contrasted very sharply with the bulk of the protests, which were spirited, but restrained and peaceful. I'd like to join Astro on his foray to Egypt, if my health allowed. I'll bet Greg would gladly join Astro - there is so much history there, and it would be a wonderful time to show support and brotherhood, as they try to transition out of almost 60 years of military dictatorship.

 

[Gokul43201]

Moving this discussion over from the other Egypt thread:

Having regular elections and an elite respecting the power shifts those indicate do not necessarily yield a Rechtsstaat (pakistan and bangladesh are typical oclocratic societies, with harsh repression of religious minorities&women, for example)

Pakistan, until a couple years ago, was under a military dictatorship for about a decade. And another one before that in the 80s, and still another one back in the 60s. It's not clear to me how you see Pakistan as an Ochlocracy. There have probably been about as many Presidents that came to power via military coups as there weren't.

And Bangladeshi politics is an strange beast (I wouldn't call it typical of most anything really): how many people would imagine that the country that you say is characterized by harsh repression of women has been politically dominated by two parties, both of which are led by women? Bangladesh hasn't had a male head of state since the new Constitution was implemented twenty years ago. That's hardly typical of any state with a dominant (90%) Muslim population.

Irrelevant.

Not at all! I've just shown that the countries that you claim are typical Ochlocracies are hardly that. This is not irrelevant. I've lived for twenty years in a country that neighbored both Pakistan and Bangladesh, and to say that I find your generalizations oversimplistic would be generous. Nevertheless, even you must see the obvious contradiction in expecting a system of governance to "evolve" (your word) over less than a single generation (such as in the case of Pakistan).

NOW they have elections, and those are followed.

Sure, Pakistan has had ONE election since their last Military despot!

Thus, all there is to be said about "democracy" has been said, right?

Apparently, in your opinion, it has.

We could also add wonderful Indonesia, which is also one of these new-fangled "democracies", with a merely regrettably upsurge in sectarian violence against religious minorities (last week, to the frenzied screams of "Allahu Akbar", three Ahmadis were brutally murdered..).

If I may add a little to this argument, have you considered if there are several other significant geographic and socio-economic commonalities to countries like Bangladesh and Indonesia (and even Pakistan, if you wish) which are not seen in autocracies like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait or Qatar?

Incidentally, what do you know about women's rights in Bangladesh, and how it compares with that in the Gulf Kingdoms?

Not to mention the hopeless position of post-Saddam Assyrian Christians.

Or the Saddamite position of Kurds and Shiites.

We have no reason to expect anything different to evolve in Egypt, if given "democracy".

First, no external body has "given" them democracy. Second, there are so many reasons! If you really think you've covered all the important socio-politco-economic conditions that are relevant to such an evolution in your 4 sentence comparison with a bunch of cherry picked states, then I shan't even bother trying.

 

[arildno]

The point is, Gokul:
You speak of "so many factors" that you, totally witout evidence, consider..significant.
They might just be..noise, that must be filtered away in order to get a better picture.

Alexandrine Copts MIGHT have a slighter bleaker view than you on the probable evolution in Egypt than you do, due to rather recent events.

Incidentally, what do you know about women's rights in Bangladesh, and how it compares with that in the Gulf Kingdoms?

Much worse than in, for example, Oman.

 

[Lacy33]

Guess what. I'm not even going to read the most current posts here. I spend some of yesterday just watching from the USA what was going on.
I heard the man from google say that he would like to meet the man who started facebook.
No names here because names are not so important.

What I took away from yesterdays event was that people like you. You here on PF are able to help.
Not here on the forum because this is a physics/science/math forum.
But it is people just like you, the kindhearted technical people who can get together and (help) make sure they do not get voting machines wired to vote in the "mb" or another group with an agenda.

I can't do this because I am not technically trained or well spoken. In addition I faint easily.
But you, many of you can get in on this and help.
From what I have seen many of you claim not to believe in a god and if you do you understand your science in a reasonable way compatible with your belief system. You are able to help usher in a secular government safe for all kinds of peoples to live in and around Egypt.
Please go and help these people. Some PFers are from the region.
We all need your technical help and levelheadedness.
Thanks

 

[BobG]

First, no external body has "given" them democracy.

This is big! Internally generated change requires some sort of substance behind the change, while external change can be imposed when the social structures are nothing but a shell.

History still indicates a tough transition. The Russian revolution, as mentioned earlier, is one example. A new government is usually weak because of its newness and is susceptible to being overthrown itself when it doesn't achieve instant success (an unrealistic expectation considering serious problems beyond the government's control seems to increase the chances of revolution). Even the US's first government didn't last very long before undergoing another radical change in structure, but at least in the US it was a peaceful transition.

At least Egypt has a realistic shot of succeeding, even if their chances would seem to be less than 50%. Now they need their own version of Nelson Mandela to keep people together through the transition.

 

[WhoWee]

I think they would be wise to restrict the new "rulers" power over the military - at least for a few years. The military has a well defined and stable management in place.

The new ruler needs to focus on the economy - everything else is a distraction. This would also throw cold water on the plans of any radical groups that might challenge. The reality of managing domestic economic problems would tend to weed-out the fast talking power hungry crowd. Perhaps they should promote the position f president as "hands-on"?

 

[nismaratwork]

I think they would be wise to restrict the new "rulers" power over the military - at least for a few years. The military has a well defined and stable management in place.

The new ruler needs to focus on the economy - everything else is a distraction. This would also throw cold water on the plans of any radical groups that might challenge. The reality of managing domestic economic problems would tend to weed-out the fast talking power hungry crowd. Perhaps they should promote the position f president as "hands-on"?

It's been bandied about that the post-Atatürk revolutionary model would be ideal. The military has to choose: will they be dictators, or guarantors of the people's constitution, which really needs to be written nearly from scratch.

 

[nismaratwork]

Guess what. I'm not even going to read the most current posts here. I spend some of yesterday just watching from the USA what was going on.
I heard the man from google say that he would like to meet the man who started facebook.
No names here because names are not so important.

What I took away from yesterdays event was that people like you. You here on PF are able to help.
Not here on the forum because this is a physics/science/math forum.
But it is people just like you, the kindhearted technical people who can get together and (help) make sure they do not get voting machines wired to vote in the "mb" or another group with an agenda.

I can't do this because I am not technically trained or well spoken. In addition I faint easily.
But you, many of you can get in on this and help.
From what I have seen many of you claim not to believe in a god and if you do you understand your science in a reasonable way compatible with your belief system. You are able to help usher in a secular government safe for all kinds of peoples to live in and around Egypt.
Please go and help these people. Some PFers are from the region.
We all need your technical help and levelheadedness.
Thanks

I hope you're right, but the technocratic/philosopher-king dream always seems to elude us, doesn't it? Someone is always ready to burn down the temple, and it takes so many to get it working, and so few to destroy.

 

[OmCheeto]

let yourself be silently drawn

by the stronger pull

of what you really love

 

[lisab]

let yourself be silently drawn

by the stronger pull

of what you really love

A prerequisite for that to happen: having a quiet head.

 

[nismaratwork]

A prerequisite for that to happen: having a quiet head.

Or a charismatic leader with that message, but I don't see that in Egypt yet. To be fair, one may still emerge, or a round-table style. Besides, even in the midst of noise calls for peace can be heard; it's worked to some extent for the protesters in Egypt. The sad counterpoint is that calls to passion and violence seem so much more common.

 

[dlgoff]

I can't do this because I am not technically trained or well spoken. In addition I faint easily.

Even so, I for one am glad you're here. Whether you know it or not, you're doing your part in all this as well.

Thanks

 

[edpell]

Al Jazeera did a background piece today on the "April 6th" organization in Egypt that has been working for the last three year to bring change. On how they traveled to visit and learn from the guy who lead the movement that brought down Malosovic (sic?). Apparently this is just one a several groups that have been working over the recent years. So the take away message slow and steady wins the race.

 

[mugaliens]

The military has a well defined and stable management in place.

The new ruler needs to focus on the economy - everything else is a distraction. This would also throw cold water on the plans of any radical groups that might challenge. The reality of managing domestic economic problems would tend to weed-out the fast talking power hungry crowd.

If their military is anything like our military, its leaders know enough history/political science to wait things out, maintain a low profile while the new nation gets settled, and maintain general peace and order throughout.

I think they can manage that.

 

[nismaratwork]

Even so, I for one am glad you're here. Whether you know it or not, you're doing your part in all this as well.

Thanks

Well said, and seconded.

Mugaliens: Their military has a very close relationship with ours, and mutual training and the fact that military personnel are conscripted... I think your view may well come to pass.

Still... there's been a lot of posturing on the part of the military and the protesters, but not that Mubarak is gone, it will be interesting to see how this military copes. Remember, they had a special place in his regime, but based on a corrupt system; they're going to be the guarantors and engineers of their own economic and social plummet.

Hopefully greed and fear will not win, and as you say, history will teach them the appropriate lesson.

 

[Lacy33]

huh?... :!) ...it's happening... ...I'm so happy!
Stay safe...

 

[Proton Soup]

Guess what. I'm not even going to read the most current posts here. I spend some of yesterday just watching from the USA what was going on.
I heard the man from google say that he would like to meet the man who started facebook.
No names here because names are not so important.

What I took away from yesterdays event was that people like you. You here on PF are able to help.
Not here on the forum because this is a physics/science/math forum.
But it is people just like you, the kindhearted technical people who can get together and (help) make sure they do not get voting machines wired to vote in the "mb" or another group with an agenda.

I can't do this because I am not technically trained or well spoken. In addition I faint easily.
But you, many of you can get in on this and help.
From what I have seen many of you claim not to believe in a god and if you do you understand your science in a reasonable way compatible with your belief system. You are able to help usher in a secular government safe for all kinds of peoples to live in and around Egypt.
Please go and help these people. Some PFers are from the region.
We all need your technical help and levelheadedness.
Thanks

that's just it, i don't think it takes technically trained or well-spoken people at all. what they need is openness and oversight, eyes and ears on the ground. so that a few guys with a stack of ballots can't stuff the box while some goon guards the door to make sure no one comes in. Canadians seem to get by just fine on paper ballots and hand counting. perhaps they might also like to do as the iraqis did with thumbprints. but in my opinion, technology only adds to the possible mischief.

their willingness to cooperate, their ability to coordinate during the demonstrations shows that they are fully capable of making it work.

 

[Lacy33]

their willingness to cooperate, their ability to coordinate during the demonstrations shows that they are fully capable of making it work.

This was what struck me most was where this young people, so smart and aware were willing to die...to die... for freedom or to make a real difference, I heard an intelect I was only use to hearing here. It was the talk of the youth. And then I heard from one of these youth the night before they expected to die, he said this will be the first non violent protest in history. Or something very close. That they had both concepts in their head at the same time.

Now the simple folk like me should guard such diamonds from the likes of h*m*s? You want us simple folk to smile or pray them back away from the tasty little children and all that land and waterway?
I'm serious.

 

[DevilsAvocado]

Guess what. I'm not even going to read the most current posts here. ... In addition I faint easily.

(Please don’t faint, read this, I’m sure it will make you feel better...)

I know you are very worried, and rightly so, but in current situation – my guess is there is no real need for 'panic'.

Sorry for joking, but haven’t you heard this one:

– Who is the Egypt Commander in Chief?
– Don’t you know?? Obama!​

It’s a joke, but probably not very far from reality... The U.S. aid is $ 22% of the total military budget (and my wild guess is these numbers are 'adjusted downward' in a 'diplomatic way'). This aid has been going on for 30 years, and another perspective would be to say that the U.S. has completely financed the Egyptian Armed Forces for 7 years out of last 30.

Almost all Egypt military equipment comes from the U.S. and a whole generation of Egypt officers has been trained in the U.S. This means something; they know each other... and trust each other... and they use the same "stuff"...

Even if some of the equipment is manufactured on license in Egypt, a sudden break in support from the U.S. will cause severe difficulties for the Egypt military commanders. (Don’t think their highest wish is to get more 'troubles' than they already got...)

Another positive thing is that Obama has only been President for 2 years (and he was 20 years old when Mubarak assumed the presidency in 1981), so it’s hard to 'blame' him for "supporting a dictator". Besides, one of the first things he did as President was making this speech in Cairo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BlqLwCKkeY

Obama’s middle name is Hussein, and his half-sister http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_Soetoro-Ng" was Kenyan (and first Muslim, later atheist). Obama is a "rock star" in Kenya (not 'that far' from Egypt, remember? ).

The family of Barack Obama is made up of people of African American, English, Kenyan, and Irish heritage. I can’t think of a better 'ambassador' for building a bridge between the Arabic and Western world.

IMHO, GWB (or even worse Sarah Palin) would be a catastrophic disaster in this situation...

The 'main character' among the Egypt protesters is the 30 year old http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wael_Ghonim" . He is married to an American and has two ("half American") children. He works for Google (the Head of Marketing of Google Middle East and North Africa) an American company, and he gives much of the credit for the success of protests to Facebook and Twitter, which of course is also American companies. Wael Ghonim also thanked CNN and other global news channels for showing the world the what happened in Egypt.

Remember: After Wael Ghonim’s emotional interview on national TV, the numbers of protesters increased significantly...

Looking "good"?

Wait, there’s more...

When the Chief of Staff of the Egyptian Armed Forces http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami_Hafez_Anan" made a statement on national TV, the first thing he declared was this:

"Egypt is committed to our national and international treaties."​

What does this mean? Well, the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt-Israel_Peace_Treaty" will not be changed one bit.

Why should it?? When the 2011 Egyptian protests began, Sami Hafez Anan was in Washington "for a week of meetings with senior American officers":

Lt. Gen. William G. Webster, left, speaking with Gen. Anan

Would this man quit old friendship and billions of dollars and educational support and supplies of spare parts – to start a war with Israel and risk his and his military personnel lives – in this difficult situation? For what reason? To please MB?? Or Hamas!?

It doesn’t make sense, does it?

Why I’m happy for the evolution of the Egypt revolution is because there were no violence between the military and the people. The Egyptian Armed Forces are still heroes in the mind of the people. This is the key to a democratic and prosperous future for Egypt.

I’ve heard on the news that Hamas and the Iran leadership are cheering and celebrating...

Let them celebrate, if this turns out the way I and a large part of the world hope for – in a true Egypt democracy – it will be more 'lethal' to these dictators than any "military equipment" you can imagine.

Dictators thrive from a poor uneducated suppressed and terrorized population. If these 'incitements' are gone, so are the dictators.

I’m born an optimist and I never give up – the Egypt revolution will work and the world will be a better place tomorrow. Trust me.

And of course I agree completely with dlgoff!

Even so, I for one am glad you're here. Whether you know it or not, you're doing your part in all this as well.

Thanks

 

[mheslep]

[...]
I lived in Egypt for three years and have been back many times since. Please do visit Egypt. It is safer than many popular vacation destinations (I am thinking particularly of those many Caribbean island beaches ringed by armed guards). You will find few places where your tourist dollar goes as far. Two year ago I rented a modern, fully-furnished, three-bedroom flat on the Valley of the Kings side of the Nile in Luxor for $300 a week.[...]

I want to visit Egypt but I don't think Luxor will be my first choice after the tourist massacre there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxor_massacre

In the mid-morning attack, terrorists from the Islamic Group and Jihad Talaat al-Fath ("Holy War of the Vanguard of the Conquest") massacred 62 people at the attraction. The six assailants were armed with automatic firearms and knives, and disguised as members of the security forces. They descended on the Temple of Hatshepsut at around 08:45. With the tourists trapped inside the temple, the killing went on systematically for 45 minutes, during which many bodies, especially of women, were mutilated with machetes. A note praising Islam was found inside one disemboweled body.[4] The dead included a five-year-old British child and four Japanese couples on their honeymoons.[5][6]

 

[WhoWee]

If their military is anything like our military, its leaders know enough history/political science to wait things out, maintain a low profile while the new nation gets settled, and maintain general peace and order throughout.

I think they can manage that.

I agree - the military can provide stability while the populace finds a pragmatic leader. They need a strong manager - to solve problems - not just talk about it.

 

[Proton Soup]

I want to visit Egypt but I don't think Luxor will be my first choice after the tourist massacre there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxor_massacre

seems no one wants to associate themselves with this

After the event Hosni Mubarak replaced his Interior Minister, General Hassan al-Alfi, with General Habib al-Adly.

The tourist industry – in Egypt in general and in Luxor in particular – was seriously affected by the resultant slump in visitors and remained depressed until sinking even lower with the September 11 attacks in the United States in 2001, the July 23, 2005, Sharm el-Shiekh attacks, and the 2006 Dahab bombings.

The massacre, however, marked a decisive drop in Islamist terrorists' fortunes in Egypt by turning Egyptian public opinion overwhelmingly against them. Spontaneous demonstrations broke out in Luxor almost immediately against the terrorists, demanding action by the government and leading to a visit by Mubarak to the region a few days later.

Organizers and supporters of the attack quickly realized that the strike had been a massive miscalculation and reacted with denials of involvement. The day after the attack, Islamic Group leader Rifai Taha claimed the attackers intended only to take the tourists hostage, despite the evidence of the immediate and systematic nature of the slaughter. Others denied Islamist involvement completely. Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman blamed Israelis for the killings, and Ayman Zawahiri maintained the attack was the work of the Egyptian police.[8][9]

 

[turbo]

I agree - the military can provide stability while the populace finds a pragmatic leader. They need a strong manager - to solve problems - not just talk about it.

Ahmed Zewail and Mohamed Mustafa ElBaradei would be my top picks, right now. They are scientists, thinkers, Nobel Prize winners... Egypt's economic problems may be knotty and hard to address, and restructuring their business policies and monetary policies might be challenging after years of kleptocracy, but I'll bet these fellows could make significant progress, while overseeing the re-writing of Egypt's constitution. Egypt has significant hurdles ahead, but they are not without resources, both ethical and intellectual. I am hopeful.

 

[mheslep]

I may be thinking of the wrong post here (can you show which one you're talking about?), but I believe the claim was that MB publicly denounces AQ, which is a statement of fact.

Well let's stipulate that's what the post said. The fact, to be precise, is that some MB website authors wrote a piece denouncing AQ.

That the present leadership of AQ includes former members of the MB says what exactly?

That former, or even active, members of the US Military are found among the membership of Aryan Nations, or the Black Liberation Army, or the KKK doesn't imply that the military supports these organizations.

Those examples would be of someone embedded in US military who holds views antithetical to the organization, certainly to the views espoused by the leadership of the US military.

Zawahiri helped establish MB cells in Egypt while he was there, he was http://books.google.com/books?id=8d...ht looming tower&pg=PA37#v=onepage&q&f=false"

 

[nismaratwork]

Well let's stipulate that's what the post said. The fact, to be precise, is that some MB website authors wrote a piece denouncing AQ.

Those examples would be of someone embedded in US military who holds views antithetical to the organization, certainly to the views espoused by the leadership of the US military.

Zawahiri helped establish MB cells in Egypt while he was there, he was http://books.google.com/books?id=8d...ht looming tower&pg=PA37#v=onepage&q&f=false"

He was... and then he was forced to flee. Frankly, Mubarak did a very good job crushing the militant types in the MB; they're not tame, but they're nothing like Hamas or Hezbollah or AQ/AQiAP.

Besides, Egypt is not monolithic, and I cannot imagine them accepting a theocracy, nor would the military tolerate it.

 

[klimatos]

I want to visit Egypt but I don't think Luxor will be my first choice after the tourist massacre there.

That incident is extremely unlikely to be repeated. I have been back to Luxor three times since that 1997 killing, and have never felt the least bit threatened. It is still one of the world's most popular destinations. Seeing Egypt without seeing Luxor is like seeing the Holy Land without seeing Jerusalem; or seeing Orlando without seeing Disneyworld. It can certainly be done, but why?

If you are going to avoid places where mass killings took place sometime in the past, your travels are going to be extremely limited.

 

[WhoWee]

Ahmed Zewail and Mohamed Mustafa ElBaradei would be my top picks, right now. They are scientists, thinkers, Nobel Prize winners... Egypt's economic problems may be knotty and hard to address, and restructuring their business policies and monetary policies might be challenging after years of kleptocracy, but I'll bet these fellows could make significant progress, while overseeing the re-writing of Egypt's constitution. Egypt has significant hurdles ahead, but they are not without resources, both ethical and intellectual. I am hopeful.

My concern with academics is they lack experience with real world economics and management. How are they qualified to restructure business and monetary policies?

I've heard this mentioned quite a few times in the past two days and I ask - what is wrong with Egypt's banking and insurance industries? What is wrong with the operation of the Suez Canal? Last, other than security issues, what is wrong with the tourism industry?

Egypt needs new industries and new opportunities. It needs to attract fresh investment capital. The problem is that can be said for most countries at this time.

As for the re-writing of the constitution - does it need to be burned and re-drafted or just tweaked?

Your description sounds like radical political and economic change to me - but the problem appears to be high unemployment and lack of opportunity?

My point is this - if it ain't broke - don't fix it. Egypt is not Haiti, or Somalia, or even Iraq - it wasn't reduced to rubble by natural causes or man made disaster. Egypt continues to function after a few weeks of uncertainty and political unrest.

IMO - the last thing they need is an idealogue (IMO).

 

[turbo]

My concern with academics is they lack experience with real world economics and management. How are they qualified to restructure business and monetary policies?

I've heard this mentioned quite a few times in the past two days and I ask - what is wrong with Egypt's banking and insurance industries?.

I'll address just this point for now. If the US government collapsed, would you trust our banking and insurance businesses to restructure it? I certainly wouldn't. If you can provide any support for that idea, I'd love to see it. The people shuffling wealth around Egypt certainly made lots of money by taking advantage of their relationships with the Mubarak family. That does NOT make them trustworthy partners in restructuring Eqypt's economy. Glenn Beck might endorse that idea, but I'd have a hard time finding any support for that notion, even among my more conservative associates.

 

[WhoWee]

I'll address just this point for now. If the US government collapsed, would you trust our banking and insurance businesses to restructure it? I certainly wouldn't. If you can provide any support for that idea, I'd love to see it. The people shuffling wealth around Egypt certainly made lots of money by taking advantage of their relationships with the Mubarak family. That does NOT make them trustworthy partners in restructuring Eqypt's economy. Glenn Beck might endorse that idea, but I'd have a hard time finding any support for that notion, even among my more conservative associates.

What are you talking about turbo? Did you read my post?

What is wrong with the way the Suez Canal, the insurance industry, and the banking industry in Egypt operate? Why do these successful industries need to be restructured? What needs to be restructured?

If you go back a few pages I inquired whether Mubarak owned any of these industries - is there proof he does?