Music What exactly is technically "off" with this rendition?

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The cover of James South's "Games People Play" raises questions about vocal pitch accuracy and instrumental tuning. Initial impressions suggest the singing may be slightly off-key, particularly on higher notes, which becomes more noticeable in solo sections. Repeated listens can alter perceptions, making the performance seem more acceptable over time. The discussion highlights the importance of pitch control and how slight deviations can add character to a melody. A trained musician might analyze these flaws using pitch correction software to assess accuracy and identify areas for improvement, emphasizing that exceptional talent often brings an additional quality to performances that may be lacking here. The conversation also touches on the use of pitch correction technology in music production.
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This is a cover of James South's "Games People Play".

By no means do I have a finely trained ear, but it felt like the singing was a bit off key. On playing it a second and third time (because I am currently riding a hobby horse regarding vocal pitch control) it began to grow on me and sound more OK. But after listening to the original and coming back, it sounded off again.

Is the singing off key, or is it something else like the instrument(s) being out of tune? Or --- is it technically OK, but just missing that extra something that comes with exceptional talent?

How would a trained musician analyze the flaws if any, and suggest how someone could address them? (Apart from years of diligent practice)

 
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Swamp Thing said:
This is a cover of James South's "Games People Play".

By no means do I have a finely trained ear, but it felt like the singing was a bit off key. On playing it a second and third time (because I am currently riding a hobby horse regarding vocal pitch control) it began to grow on me and sound more OK. But after listening to the original and coming back, it sounded off again.

Is the singing off key, or is it something else like the instrument(s) being out of tune? Or --- is it technically OK, but just missing that extra something that comes with exceptional talent?

How would a trained musician analyze the flaws if any, and suggest how someone could address them? (Apart from years of diligent practice)


Arrgggh. Pitch!

He is going for a note and not quite getting there. More obvious when it's just him. 45 seconds in.
 
"Flowers" 51 seconds in. You hear that? They tend to be the highest notes so far.
 
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I have heard this many times before. He is not flat all the time so you notice it more when it happens.
He sounds better as the track goes on.

There is a musician on YouTube called "Wings of Pegasus" he does analysis pieces using pitch software. Really interesting. Shows how accurate various classic singers are and how the little idiosyncrasies in their voices gives them their unique sound.
Sometimes being a little bit below the note, slightly flat, on phrases gives the melody character.
He also exposes the use of pitch correction, auto tune and lip syncing.
 
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pinball1970 said:
Arrgggh. Pitch!

At first I thought it was some "sus" chords :smile:
 
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