What experiment best demonstrates electron radiation?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of electron radiation, exploring its historical context, theoretical foundations, and experimental demonstrations. Participants examine the relationship between electron radiation and various branches of physics, including classical electromagnetism and quantum mechanics, while also questioning the nature of photons emitted during this process.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the idea of radiating electrons is rooted in classical electromagnetism, particularly Maxwell's equations, which describe how accelerating charges emit electromagnetic radiation.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between electron radiation and quantum mechanics, with some suggesting that quantum field theory describes interactions as exchanges of photons, though the exact nature of this description is not fully understood by all participants.
  • Several participants mention specific phenomena related to electron radiation, such as synchrotron radiation and Bremsstrahlung, as examples of how this radiation can be observed in experiments.
  • Questions are raised regarding the origin of photons emitted by electrons, with some asserting that photons arise from the electromagnetic waves generated by accelerating electrons rather than from the electrons themselves.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about whether alternative interpretations exist that can predict the same observations without relying on the exchange of virtual particles.
  • There is acknowledgment that classical descriptions of electron radiation do not apply in all contexts, particularly for electrons bound in atoms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the classical basis for electron radiation but express differing views on the implications of quantum mechanics and the nature of emitted photons. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the completeness of classical versus quantum explanations and the existence of alternative interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on classical versus quantum frameworks, the ambiguity in defining "electron radiation," and the unresolved nature of how photons are conceptualized in relation to accelerating electrons.

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1.) When and how did idea about radiating electrons come about, atomic theory and orbitals?

2.) Is this phenomena considered purely QM, or inter-related with some other branch of physics like SR maybe? Or perhaps it can also be defined independently using some theories and equations other than QM?

3.) What experiment best demonstrates electron radiation, most recent such experiment?

4.) If electron is indivisible smallest amount of matter, then what is the explanation as to where those radiated photons are supposed to come from?
 
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1 , 2) This is in fact a classical idea which follows from Maxwell's equations. (Just to make sure - we're talking about electric charges emitting EM radiation when they accelerate)

3) That's how radio waves are emitted from an antenna. That's where synchrotron radiation is produced in charged particle accelerators. Also check out Bremsstrahlung.

4) But remember that whenever the radiation is produced by an accelerating electron, this electron is accelerated by something, e.g. an external electric field - so it interacts with some other system - and in Quantum field theory these interactions are described as exchanging photons. Now honestly I don't entirely understand exactly how an acceleration of an electron is described this way, but you see that it's not just an electron emitting photons. It's also interacting with external photons.
 
Loro said:
1 , 2) This is in fact a classical idea which follows from Maxwell's equations. (Just to make sure - we're talking about electric charges emitting EM radiation when they accelerate)

3) That's how radio waves are emitted from an antenna. That's where synchrotron radiation is produced in charged particle accelerators. Also check out Bremsstrahlung.

4) But remember that whenever the radiation is produced by an accelerating electron, this electron is accelerated by something, e.g. an external electric field - so it interacts with some other system - and in Quantum field theory these interactions are described as exchanging photons. Now honestly I don't entirely understand exactly how an acceleration of an electron is described this way, but you see that it's not just an electron emitting photons. It's also interacting with external photons.

Ok, thank you.

Do you know if there is any other interpretation that can successfully predict those same observations beside that one where attraction/repulsion is defined by "exchange of (virtual) particles"?
 
The emission of EM waves by an accelerating charge can be understood just from classical electromagnetism:

But this description doesn't apply always - e.g. it doesn't work for an electron bounded in an atom, accelerating cetripetally as it moves around the nucleus.
 
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madus said:
1.) When and how did idea about radiating electrons come about, atomic theory and orbitals?

It has been known since the mid 1800's or so that an accelerating charge emits EM radiation. Atomic theory was developed in the early 1900's. There are plenty of sites online dealing with both of these subjects, including wikipedia.

3.) What experiment best demonstrates electron radiation, most recent such experiment?

That depends on exactly what you mean by "electron radiation".

4.) If electron is indivisible smallest amount of matter, then what is the explanation as to where those radiated photons are supposed to come from?

Photons are the quantum of the electromagnetic field. This means that when you send out an EM wave it interacts in little packets of energy we label as photons. They don't come from the electron itself, but rather the EM wave it generates when it is accelerated.
 
Drakkith said:
It has been known since the mid 1800's or so that an accelerating charge emits EM radiation. Atomic theory was developed in the early 1900's. There are plenty of sites online dealing with both of these subjects, including wikipedia.

That depends on exactly what you mean by "electron radiation".

Photons are the quantum of the electromagnetic field. This means that when you send out an EM wave it interacts in little packets of energy we label as photons. They don't come from the electron itself, but rather the EM wave it generates when it is accelerated.

Ok, cheers.
 

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